Asking for more help with my woods

[Rat Rod Mac]

I just posted here a couple of days ago asking about what kind of grass I should
plant on my recently timbered woods logging roads. Now I'm back asking if any of
you know of a good nursery where I can buy between 700 and a 1,000 white oak
seedlings. I get catalogs from different places, but they want twenty bucks per tree.
I think these are more for the homeowner type plantings. I need a wholesale type
of nursery. Years ago I bought some seedlings from the state (Ohio), but they have
since closed their nurseries here. If any of you have information on a good source
for a large purchase, I would certainly appreciate it. Thank you again. RRM

 

[EddieWalker]

Best resource for finding stuff like that for me has been the Ag Extension here in Texas. They have offices all over the state, and you just walk in and tell them what you are wanting to do, and they have a dozen brochures on that topic. The will not recommend a supplier, but will give you a list to choose from. I'd be surprised if your state didn't have something like that too.

 

[Bird]

I thought, when you said you needed help with your woods, that you were a wannabe golfer who needed help, like most of us wannabe golfers.:laughing:

 

[Thomas]

Does your state offer Tree Farmer program which might help?

 

[jeff9366]

A more focused title, such as NEED 1,000 WHITE OAK SEEDLINGS will yield better results.

Half the participants here think you have an ongoing problem with a Wood's implement.

You need to enter your LOCATION in your T-B-N profile.

Two strikes against valuable replies.

 

[oosik]

When we first move here 35+ years ago - we planted - oak(of some kind), Mt Ash, weeping willow, etc, etc. The idea being - get some trees growing here other than our only OEM kind - Ponderosa pine.

We were able to purchase, in bulk, from the Forrest Service. They were very young, very small (1' to 2' high) but we got them for 45 cents to 75 cents for each little tree. And if we purchased over a certain $$ amount we got even a further reduction. As I remember we would get 250 to 350 small trees for around $115. We did this until the Forest Service quit the program - about 6 to 8 years.

The survival rate was very low because they were so small, it gets so dam hot here in the summer, we planted in all areas of our 80 acres and it was a PITA to keep them watered, some of the trees proved to be very tasty to the deer. Anyhow - I now have small groupings of non-native trees in various spots all over the property.

Give you local Forest Service organization a call - they may not have such a plan but I'll bet they know somebody locally that does.

 

[oosik]

Unless I'm mistaken Rat Rod Mac lives in Ohio. But your location is a very legitimate request.

 

[TnAndy]

Rake up 2,000 white oak acorns, stick them in a big, raised bed of peat moss/potting soil, keep damp, let them grow a year, and you'll have what you need !

 

[Garandman]

Posting questions like this without posting your location in your profile means you will get lots of irrelevant advice.

 

[smstonypoint]

Ohio's Division of Forestry Web site links to WV's Division of Forestry for seedlings. It looks like 1,000 one-year old white oak seedlings would cost you $500: http://www.wvcommerce.org/App_Media/assets/publications/naturalresources/Forestry/Clements_order_form.pdf.

Steve

 

[nybirdman]

Good idea but I hope you are young;white oak are very slow growing.
Your grand-children may see some benefit.I have white oak on my
property and they are a very nice trees and would like to be able to
thank whom-ever planted them.They are the only ones in our area.

 

[Rat Rod Mac]

Smstonypoint, thank you very much. That is what I was looking for. Looks like I better be getting with it as some of the species are already sold out.
nybirdman, you are correct. They are a slow growing tree. I planted some burr oak years ago and some of them are now producing acorns. I also have had the mind set that it makes me feel good in my chest that I'm giving something back. That someday someone like yourself will say " wonder who planted all of these? Don't know but the wildlife sure like them". That's good enough for me. Thanks to all of you for your help. RRM

 

[MossRoad]

Check this link for Ohio DNR Forestry
http://forestry.ohiodnr.gov/landownerassistance

As someone mentioned, they suggest buying trees from WV.

You should probably start with your county extension agent. They should have info on where to buy trees, as well as any state reforestation programs that may be available to you. This is something you should not skip looking into before undertaking your project. For example, back in 1989 we bought 20 acres of abandoned farm land/woods. It was on very hilly, highly erodible soil. Indiana had a program for soil stabilization with tree planting. On one of our 4 acre fields, we planted 2000 tress. Alternating rows of pines and mixed hardwoods. The pines grow fast and conical, which stresses the rows of mixed hardwoods between the pine rows, causing them to grow extremely straight, which is desirable for veneer timber. Anyhow, the state reimbursed us for 75% of the cost! 2150 trees purchased, planted by a forester, and side sprayed for a total cost to us of $265.00! Yes, two hundred sixty five dollars! The only stipulation was that we had to either mow between the rows or spray between the rows, our choice, for 5 years. After that, we could do what we want with the trees. Cut them down, even. Didn't matter.

Also, the state forester who developed our planting plan also did a tree survey of the existing 10 acre woods, and a plan for the other 6 acre field. All of this was free through the state.

Look into it. It might be well worth your time.

Also, why so many of one species? Deer management, perhaps? One thing to note about one species planting's.... any bug, disease, etc... that affects that species can wipe you out in a year or two. Better to plant multiple species and spread them out if its a forest you're after. Just a thought.

Good luck in your search. :thumbsup:

 

[Streetcar]

I used coldstream trees out of Michigan
Cheaper than through Ohio extension program.
Trees had good survival except for deer

 

[DieselnHooters]

Good idea but I hope you are young;white oak are very slow growing.
Your grand-children may see some benefit.I have white oak on my
property and they are a very nice trees and would like to be able to
thank whom-ever planted them.They are the only ones in our area.

True....all the most valuable densest hardwoods are very slow growing _ white oak, sugar maple etc _ but they can outlive us by many hundred years, they are indeed a great legacy to leave for future generations

 

[Rat Rod Mac]

MossRoad thank you very much. I just sent an e-mail to the Ohio DNR and asked for any assistance or suggestions on any present programs relating to my situation. We'll see how they respond. You asked about so many white oak,, when the timber guys removed the downed trees of course it opens up the canopy and lets the sun hit the forest floor. Now I need to go through and cut the Spicebush and any Multi- Flora Rose bushes and then plant the oaks. Reason for so many has already been touched on here. Deer, rabbits, etc, etc. And my woods was primarily Poplar, Cherry, Red Maple, Sassafras, Black Gum and only a hand full of oak. Not all of them will survive, so by planting a bunch, hopefully some will make it. Thanks once again to all that responded. RRM

 

[Wood_Butcher_Dav]

What is the saying - The best time to plant a tree is 20 years ago

 

[Streetcar]

I heard saying as the best time to plant a tree is 20 years ago, the next best time is today

 

[nybirdman]

I love all trees but white oaks have a special place for me.As I stated
I have numerous white oaks around my house;one about four ft. on the stump
and numerous 24-30".One little guy in the front yard when we built
was about 1-1/2" and 6ft.tall;35 years latter it is about 6"diameter and 12ft.
Good luck with your plantings.

 

[MossRoad]

When we had our 4 acre field planted in 1989 with the alternating rows of pines and mixed hardwoods, they were all 1 year old saplings. Tallest hardwood was about 2'. Today, 28 years later, the pines are 12" and 40'. The hardwoods are 10" and pushing 50', poking out of the pines in most places.

The hardwoods are tulip poplar, walnut, cherry, and I think about 7 varieties of oaks. About 2-3 years ago, I was walking through the woods and noticed what I believe was our first crop of acorns. Made me smile.