Are tractors and equipment a good investment right now?

   / Are tractors and equipment a good investment right now? #71  
Once it is depreciated, it is a dead expense.
Fair statement but I'll never sell either of my Pre 4 tractors even if they are a dead investment. Keep in mind that everything I put in them, from lube oils to grease to filters, they are all a deduction. Consequently, they get the best of everything and often as well. I spare no expense on them. Implements are another story. 5 and done. Lube oil gets changed 2 time a season with filters, gearbox fluid gets changed yearly with filters too. The one implement exception is my NH disc bine conditioner. I like it so much, I've kept it way past the 5 year depreciation. Almost bought a Kubota (Kneverland) disc machine last year but didn't. The Kubota mower is way too complex for my taste and my NH runs just fine.

I did trade in my NH net / twine round bailer for the Kubota BV series round baler last year. Never cared for the NH bailer. Was very finicky and hard to thread net in plus it was inconsistent running over the edge net so I traded it. My customer wants OTE bales. Easier to handle for him so I oblige.
 
   / Are tractors and equipment a good investment right now? #73  
The two challenged tenants are tenants I never rented to or even have a rental application…

One was a minor where the parents bought a home out of state and left Junior behind just as pandemic restrictions started.

The other was placed by the Oakland Housing authority when the head of family unexpectedly passed with minor children in the home…

The head of family was a fine grandmother who was a joy to work with… when she passed the mother who lost custody of her children was inserted as my tenant…

It’s a small percentage but demonstrate how a housing provider can find themselves in a no one situation exasperated by pandemic.
 
   / Are tractors and equipment a good investment right now? #74  
Seems like a lot of folks are in business only for the profit, so I'd like to point out that not everyone has the same goal. Life it not so lopsided. Us people on the other side of the scale deserve to be heard from as well.

My experience is that most people who rent are hoping to own someday and are doing the best they can to get there. I try to do my part. Taken as an average, being a landlord tends to make a profit.

As for selling used - When I sell something used it is because I believe that it has value to the buyer. I price it with that in mind. If some feature doesn't work, I point it out and reduce the price accordingly. If it is broken beyond repair I will scrap it myself; I'd never sell it to someone.

rScotty
 
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   / Are tractors and equipment a good investment right now? #75  
Seems like a lot of folks are in business only for the profit, so I'd like to point out that not everyone has the same goal. Life it not so lopsided. Us people on the other side of the scale deserve to be heard from as well.

My experience is that most people who rent are hoping to own someday and are doing the best they can to get there. I try to do my part. Taken as an average, being a landlord tends to make a profit.

As for selling used - When I sell something used it is because I believe that it has value to the buyer. I price it with that in mind. If some feature doesn't work, I point it out and reduce the price accordingly. If it is broken beyond repair I will scrap it myself; I'd never sell it to someone.

rScotty
I do hay because I like doing it. It would never pay the bills (not that I have any because I really don't), I just like doing it, always have and I only have one customer and been that way for over 5 years now.

If I somehow lost him, I'd hang it up and sell everything and maybe take a long vacation somewhere warm... Last winter he paid me for the bales I ran for him just before Christmas and that entire amount is sitting in the hay account at the local credit union. Have not touched it.

In fact each of my rentals has their own account too. The security deposits go in there as well as the monthly rental payments.

We ain't hurting like a lot of people are. We still go out to eat a couple times a week (no fast food either, sit down beaneries only). We buy what we want at the store and drive nice vehicles which are all paid for as well. I don't believe in car payments or mortgage payments either.

2 years ago my wife wanted a Suburban LTZ so we went out and looked at them and bought one and when the car salesman asked us how we wanted to finance it, told him no finance and wrote him a check for 50 percent of the purchase price and told him to have it ready to go with a full tank of gas in 2 days and I'd be paying it in full then. I thought he was gonna pee his pants. Took him the exact balance in c-notes and 50's. When I pulled that wad out of my pocket I swear he did pee his pants.

That brings us to current times and I believe this is not the time to be extending yourself. Just my personal opinion from watching and playing the markets, the Fed's interest rate hikes ( which I feel is agitating the liquidity of the dollar negatively) and the constant turmoil with this what I consider a failed Presidency.

Very bad time to extend yourself and yes tractor values have increased exponential but the value received has not increased at all. In fact it's going backwards because the dollar is loosing value quite quickly.

Sure, I can get what I paid for out of both my tractors when they were new but those dollars spent don't represent what the current dollar is worth today and one needs to always remember that.
 
   / Are tractors and equipment a good investment right now? #76  
I'm surprised you could pay with cash... not the way it works here...

Even the Hospital has gone to cashless with no more bank currier.

$50 and $100 typically not accepted at gas stations, fast food and convenience stores... no problem at the big grocery stores.

First time I ran into it was when I needed 3400 to close Escrow and showed up at the Title Company with 3400 cash which was rejected.

My personal check also would have delayed the closing and a Bank Check would need to be drawn on a California Bank otherwise closing delayed...

I said just how do you expected to be paid... Wire Transfer
 
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   / Are tractors and equipment a good investment right now? #77  
said just how do you expected to be paid... Wire Transfer. The digital dollar. I don't play that way and my cash in hand closings were a few years ago anyway.

I myself don't like dealing in cash today and I don't plus, I'm very careful about what I do deposit and withdraw from my Credit Union because of the Fed Reporting Mandate on funds limits before ANY banking institution has to report it to the central government.

Got a whopper check sitting in my checkbook presently that I will have to deposit, like it or not because it will get wire transferred to the business that I used to cover the purchase I made as I don't want to pay interest on the debt. I use that credit card (in this case) for a short term loan with no finance charge billed to me.
 
   / Are tractors and equipment a good investment right now? #78  
I do hay because I like doing it. It would never pay the bills (not that I have any because I really don't), I just like doing it, always have and I only have one customer and been that way for over 5 years now.

If I somehow lost him, I'd hang it up and sell everything and maybe take a long vacation somewhere warm... Last winter he paid me for the bales I ran for him just before Christmas and that entire amount is sitting in the hay account at the local credit union. Have not touched it.

In fact each of my rentals has their own account too. The security deposits go in there as well as the monthly rental payments.

We ain't hurting like a lot of people are. We still go out to eat a couple times a week (no fast food either, sit down beaneries only). We buy what we want at the store and drive nice vehicles which are all paid for as well. I don't believe in car payments or mortgage payments either.

2 years ago my wife wanted a Suburban LTZ so we went out and looked at them and bought one and when the car salesman asked us how we wanted to finance it, told him no finance and wrote him a check for 50 percent of the purchase price and told him to have it ready to go with a full tank of gas in 2 days and I'd be paying it in full then. I thought he was gonna pee his pants. Took him the exact balance in c-notes and 50's. When I pulled that wad out of my pocket I swear he did pee his pants.

That brings us to current times and I believe this is not the time to be extending yourself. Just my personal opinion from watching and playing the markets, the Fed's interest rate hikes ( which I feel is agitating the liquidity of the dollar negatively) and the constant turmoil with this what I consider a failed Presidency.

Very bad time to extend yourself and yes tractor values have increased exponential but the value received has not increased at all. In fact it's going backwards because the dollar is loosing value quite quickly.

Sure, I can get what I paid for out of both my tractors when they were new but those dollars spent don't represent what the current dollar is worth today and one needs to always remember that.
We are in just about the exact opposite position. We have close to zero disposable income. Have not been out to eat for years, buy our clothes at the discount store, truck needs brakes and we are saving for that right now. Our shack is falling apart. Basically everything we own and buy is to help us be able to get things done without outside help. Our next large purchase will be a milk cow.
 
   / Are tractors and equipment a good investment right now? #79  
I'm surprised you could pay with cash... not the way it works here...
Same here in Alexandria, VA.
When we bought my wifes Honda Civic back in 2004 they wouldn't take cash, anything above 10K had to be reported.
Had to get a certified bank check.
 
   / Are tractors and equipment a good investment right now? #80  
Our next large purchase will be a milk cow.
Sadly, both my wife and I are lactose intolerant so fresh milk (pasteurized) or store bought is out of the question, but not a bad idea really. Be apprised however that ONE milk cow don't work because you really need 2 plus some way to' freshen' one while the other don't get freshened. A milk cow must be freshened ( pregnant ) and giving birth to a little one to give milk for you and it....

Consequently, you get to build a herd if you want one or not (unless you butcher the little one (and I happen to like veal) myself. Much easier to purchase whole milk from a 'nature dairy farm' or buy pasteurized high butter fat milk at the grocery. been down that road myself (with cattle for meat and milk and it's not easy by a ling shot and I didn't own a bull (which in itself is a daunting task) so I purchased semen and had the vet 'freshen' my milk cows via artificial inseminations'. All gone now and I certainly don't miss any of it.

Running hay is bad enough and at my age, I keep thinking about quitting that as well. I could sell all the equipment and be a fat cat on a devaluing dollar for a while at least. 72 is pushing the envelope for me.

I retired from my day job (and so did my wife ), not to be slaves to a farm even though we are presently.
 

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