Are Antique Tractor Collectors a Dying Breed?

   / Are Antique Tractor Collectors a Dying Breed? #61  
Those are some great specimens of yelow & green.:thumbsup: Love the replica on the left in the last picture.:cool:

Thanks! I kinda' like to pick up "junkers" & see what I can do with them. Here are my "modified s":

The L/60 Custom from a 60 lawn tractor with a blown engine:

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317 Special from a parted out 317 rolling chassis:

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& most recently, the 70 I "Industrial", made from the 1/2 70 lawn tractor in the picture:

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I have another project in mind, need to find a cheap Snapper RER for it! ~~ Lowell
 

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   / Are Antique Tractor Collectors a Dying Breed? #62  
Over four years since the last post and being new to antique tractor shows I think prices are still dropping especially for the expensive to haul sizes. Last year the daughter (19 at the time) when with me to look at a 1966 Ford 3000 and asked me to buy it for her and teach her how to drive it. It got too nice for the daily rough so I picked up a nice but rusty 1980 3600 to do the dirty work since the Ford 711 one arm loader stays on the 1966 full time.

At 67 I took the 1966 for my first ever antique tractor event and was one of the younger in the group. There were some younger like my daughter but they were associated with the older guys for the most part.

Monday morning I went and looked at a non running 1948 Model B Allis Chalmers but with nice paint and four new tires and was generally a tight tractor with a recently used Woods Rotary Mower model 59 AC that came with the owner's manual dated 1964 revision that showed its age.

We got the engine on the bench last night. While it was not worn out (no ring grove) the O rings on sleeve #1 and #4 had failed so the guy ran it with coolant in the crankcase and had added Liquid Glass stop leak. Since it is a nice tractor we are having the crank shaft checked out at the machine shop and if a polishing or taking it down 0.010 will make it solid as new we plan to run with a full rebuild kit

We have $1000 to play with to come out with hopefully under the $2000 total cost. The $800 purchase price was haggle free because that was the price out of the seller's mouth and I wanted the tractor as stated below.

No that is not a good deal in today's declining antique tractor prices. With it looks OK for shows today and having hydraulics makes it about the same as the one that I played on at the age of 3-4 and was driving at the age of 5 while dad was nearby picking corn by hand. He got tired of getting on and off to pull up every little bit.

Around here there are guys with barns full of fully restored very old iron as part of their retirement plan. There are some unhappy wife's I am told. One dealer told me the tractors are selling at below just the parts cost to fully restore them with winter after winter labor just gone for good. We are way upside down on the 1966 Ford 3000 but if the daughter wants to keep it it should be usable for another 50 years perhaps.

The 1948 Model B Allis Chambers is to serve as a backup mower and be something easy for me to trailer if I want to do shows after the kids have moved away from home.

I am open to flipping a few from time to time if the right deal pops up but not to hold as an investment. It is not my cup of tea but parting out these old tractors looks to have a profit potential.

The tractors are a bit like the Harley business with more used ones coming onto the market faster than the market will absorb. As the family farm becomes a thing of the past so will our old tractors I guess. With new and used parts cost going up and selling prices going down there is going to be a painful middle for some of us it seems. I can see at some point the low prices of old farm machinery creating a new interest in old iron but then perhaps 50% of the CUTS out there today will be on the market in the next 15-20 years. With wages declining cash buyers may be hard for sellers to find in coming years so maybe the credit card will become the new cash buyers. :)

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   / Are Antique Tractor Collectors a Dying Breed? #63  
Good insight...

Coming from the automotive side of things I was always the youngest in the Model A Club and that has been for the last 40 years at my local Chapter... over a hundred families once and now maybe 30 active... that generation has moved on.

The fun of taking one out has not diminished and the shows are as popular as ever... especially in the muscle car bracket... but this same group also appreciates a 115 year old Curved Dash Oldsmobile and American Bantam Roadster...

You make an excellent point... for those with the desire... exemplary models can often be picked up for less than the cost of parts to restore them... all the enjoyment without the work!


My brother's restored Farmall Cub is a big hit at the Christmas Tree Farm... it should have it's own Facebook page!

Recently, he picked up a beautiful Deere M and I picked up a Jubilee… show room new... the man that restored them is a true Craftsman and labor of love... I do think we got extra points by our enthusiasm and he made us a deal on both...

I've also looked at Deere Crawlers and Ford Row Crop tractors... if I had the room... I would go for it...

Something about an old restored tractor and a farm that bring smiles to people... parents tell kids Grand Dad had one just like it... they love the show of crank starting the Farmall and the unique sound of the Deere 2 cylinder...

If I could ever find one... I would pay the money for the Tractor that started my fascination with farm machinery... and that is the tractor my Grandfather owned that I piloted up and down the windrows at age 4... just have not found one in all of North America for sale...
 
   / Are Antique Tractor Collectors a Dying Breed? #64  
I'll be 32 in October. I love all things old. I had a blast getting my little 1965 Oliver 550 going. Now I use it to disc the field to keep the weeds down. I'd love to someday have a Cat D2 dozer with the pony motor. I have older cars I enjoy working on, a '70 Dodge Dart and a '68 Plymouth Barracuda. No video games for me. I'll never have idle hands.
 
   / Are Antique Tractor Collectors a Dying Breed? #65  
I feel sorry for anyone with a barn full of restored old "anything" on wheels hoping for a big payoff. Sell it all now. The new generation just doesn't care about this stuff (with a few exceptions here and there, but not enough to make a market). Heck, I grew up restoring Mustangs but wouldn't take one for free now; no airbags, bad gas mileage, need constant tuning, don't handle/ride nearly as well as a modern car. My point is, even someone who grew up appreciating these things, and still "appreciates" them, well, we have other things to do with our lives than baby an antique car. Yes, part of me still hankers for a vintage Saab, a 64 1/2 Mustang, or a 59 pickup, and I can afford it now. Would make a cool toy. Nice conversation piece. Drive it on Sundays to church. But when I think about the garage space, maintenance, insurance, etc.... OTOH the prices are now right, so if you want one you can have one. :)

Fact: most kids these days do not care about cars one bit, and whether we like it or not, they're the future. I've watched the Barretts shows; pristine restored cars selling for less than a new Kia. Old tractors are even a smaller market. The world has changed. Yes, it's sad.

OTOH, if the power goes out, my 19th century chest-drill could come in real handy.
 
   / Are Antique Tractor Collectors a Dying Breed? #66  
I restore because I enjoy it... no monetary end game other to say I have never sold a vehicle for less than I have in it...

As with most things in life... follow your passion.

Most hobbies also provide a social aspect... I simply did not have the time to drive my Model A from Prudhoe Bay Alaska down the Alcan highway back the SF Bay Area or go on the Durango Colorado Tour of the East Coast to West Coast tour... but for my friends that did it provided a trove of good memories...

My brother's situation is a little different in that the old equipment is part of his business model... he lives in a region with 10 million plus people and seeing a cow or tractor, etc... is quite an experience for some... and it creates the draw to come out and buy a Christmas Tree and create memories as opposed to a paved lot at Home Depot.

I was not particularly looking to add a restored tractor to the fleet... brother merely borrowed my PJ trailer and I went along for the ride... Once there I could easily appreciate the effort that went into the restoration and simple math made it clear adding up the new rubber, paint, rebuilt engine, etc.. the value was there for anyone so inclined.

After I'm gone... whatever the kids do is fine... only want to have things organized and presentable... to make it easy for them... but not to the point of seeing just dollar signs or a bank account.

My niece has loved my 62 Corvette since she was about 3... it became a birthday tradition for us... her parents have forbid her from ever driving it... so who knows... similar for the Mustang Convertible and Model A and T's...

On the other hand... my nephew loves the mint 96 F150 4wd 4spd pickup I gave him... and I am just about ready to surprise my niece with a one owner 60k mile garage kept 2005 Lexus... her parents are OK with the Lexus RX330... because I told them I would drop the whole thing if they had plans to buy her a New 2018 Civic or Corolla like most of her friends... seems to be the car of choice for teenage girls here... brand new Civic or Corolla... but it comes to about 20k out the door...

On parting thought... I bought my D3 dozer because I needed it... and need it I did for 17 years... after which I sold it for about 2k shy of what I had in it...
 
   / Are Antique Tractor Collectors a Dying Breed? #67  
I restore because I enjoy it... no monetary end game other to say I have never sold a vehicle for less than I have in it...

As with most things in life... follow your passion.

Of course. People should absolutely follow their passion. Done it my whole life. My point was about folks who think these old cars/tractors are a good $$$ investment. I suspect that train has left the station. We have a lot of old folks and a lot of old car enthusiasts around here. Super-nice people, but they think their '72 Dodge Charger is worth $100k.

When my life gets a little simpler, I may buy that '59 pickup, or more realistically, a '79 pickup, but I won't expect to make money on it. 'course, who knows? In 20 years when these things are even rarer, maybe prices will skyrocket again. But I wouldn't do it for the money, but because I enjoy having something unique and cool, a reminder of times gone by.
 
   / Are Antique Tractor Collectors a Dying Breed? #68  
Girl, I think you are right on value of 'old' stuff. My father had a phenomenal postage stamp collection that I inherited when he passed. I was into stamps because he was... but after he passed I lost interest other than to hold on to it. I still think I might buy an old vehicle to remind me of my youth but I know it is no investment. When I bring it up, my better half says, why not buy a hardly used modest motorhome that we can use. She has a point.
 
   / Are Antique Tractor Collectors a Dying Breed? #69  
Many great points make since waking up this old subject that got me to thinking even more on the subject.

I go to a 75 year old chiropractor who grew up on a farm in Northeast MO. Even he was talking to me about cheap the old iron is going for these days. I guess there are cable channels that carry actual equipment auctions since we do not do TV.

It is not all doom and gloom but the kids living everywhere but on the old family farm just do not have tool sheds to take granddad's old tractors home with them.

The ad on a local website for my Model B AC had no photo and the following text.

" An Allis Chambler Tractor With 5 Ft Woods Belly Mower. Has New Tires, New Battery And $7500. Worth Of Work On This Tractor."

It was 30 minutes out of my way Monday morning and my expectations were very low but since I played tractor driving on a B at the age of 3 I have always wanted one some day. We saw its unpainted new like water pump, new tires and a decent repaint job at some point in time. No sloop in the steering or gear shift carried a lot of weight with me. With no ring grove that I can feel tells me it has not been used that much since the last major engine rebuild and the Woods manual is dated 1964 so I expect it has done little but mow the last 50+ years.

Since the kids are just about to turn 21 I am going ahead and do more than a patch job on this AC just in case they want to hang onto it someday. Compression was still 110 psi on all four cylinders with all the plugs removed. I may even go with a new radiator because this on looks to be OEM and had several leaks fixed over the years. Parts will never be cheaper and guys that knows how to work on old iron are going the way of the owners of old iron.

Point I am trying to make IF you have an old tractor that may have meaning to any family member down the road today is be best time to make them solid for the next few generations. Just do not tell the kids they are good nest eggs but that they will be good bird nesting places. This AC had them in the grill and big tool box behind the gas tank. :)
 
   / Are Antique Tractor Collectors a Dying Breed? #70  
It seems to be picking up around here. The local club I used to belong to around here is having a show this weekend, and looks to have quite a turn out of tractors, along with a lot of new members that got bit by the bug. There are some younger members, but, most seem to be late 40's, to early 50's, and the kids are gone from home now, out on their own, and Dad has some extra cash now to play.

Garden tractors, 2-wheel, and 4-wheel seem to be more popular than ever. I've been collecting, and using them for 30 some years in the garden. Mine are not trailer queens, they earn their keep. The Planet Junior brand has seen a big upsurge of buyer's, due to so many smaller market garden operators, using them to cultivate their crops. I've been trying to convince a buddy of doing this for nearly 10 years, and scoffed at the idea, until I came across several groups on Face Book doing exactly that. NOW, it's a different story... He has managed to collect 22, 2-wheel tractors, but sad to say none of them run. I do have to shake my head, and chuckle at times...
 

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