Anyone else have a 6.4L ford diesel?

   / Anyone else have a 6.4L ford diesel?
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#21  
I've read the new 6.7 Ford does real good mpg. I've heard the 6.4 is problematic from people I know; mpg and mechanical problems. A guy that works for me had an 09 6.4 he paid 55 grand for, put 150K miles on it up to 2012, said he spent 15 grand on repairs and traded it in and got 15 grand for it on trade :thumbdown: . Do the math on that one. He got a new 6.7 and he likes it. The 09 was pretty beat though, his 6.7 is getting the same way but hasn't broke down that I know of.
You have heard correctly.
I am playing dealers off each other for an extended warranty on mine. Lowest price I got on extended warranty was ~$3,000. My 6.4L's are very disappointing in MY trucks (I'm sure there's some out there that like their's). One mechanic told me to extend the warranties, then have the repairs done to make the engine more reliable.
I wonder if all the geniuses at Ford's board of director meetings care about the great unwashed who have to buy these unreliable, fuel guzzling trucks to make a living, then pay 3-4 grand to extend the warranties? Maybe it's all in the Blue oval "quality is job 1" master plan??? lol
Then miraculously 2 years later they finally offer a diesel that somehow makes more HP/TQ and gets better fuel economy?
I think they oughta offer those of us stuck with 6L or 6.4L diesels a discount on a new truck. That would be a company that steps up to the plate and does the right thing for it's customers.
 
   / Anyone else have a 6.4L ford diesel? #22  
Why go through the dealer for a warranty? Its all 3rd party stuff and if you search it out you can do much better on your own.

Chris
 
   / Anyone else have a 6.4L ford diesel? #23  
I'd trust the Ford warranty more personally. Shame you have to buy warranty. I've been told on the 6.0 gas GM trucks they gave you an extended warranty if they had lifter knocking. I have one and it has it bad but doesn't seem to hurt anything.
 
   / Anyone else have a 6.4L ford diesel? #24  
Hay Dude said:
4.88's on yours?
What's your empty weight? Mine's 9,300lbs

No I have 4.30's and yeah, 9300 lbs, but the trailer I pull with it daily is 17,000 lbs.
 
   / Anyone else have a 6.4L ford diesel? #25  
I had a 6.4 Powerstroke in a 2010 F250 Supercab 4x4. It was a nice truck but I missed having a crew cab and ended up trading it in for a brand new 2011 Silverado 2500HD crew cab Z71 after owning the Ford for about a year and a half. My only real complaint about the 6.4 was the abysmal fuel economy. For the 2011 redesign GM rated the 6.0 gasser to haul 13,000 pounds with 4.10 gears so I went back to a gasser with this truck and get about the same fuel economy (better in the winter and if I keep the speed a little lower) as the 6.4 but at a lower cost for fuel and much lower cost for maintenance. I don't know if I'd go for another diesel besides the Cummins as I think that's the only one I could change the injectors on myself if I ever had to. As much as I love the DMax I think there may be something to be said about the easy access afforded by an I6 vs a V8 and it looks like high pressure pumps and injectors are basically a wear item on the new common rail diesels.
 
   / Anyone else have a 6.4L ford diesel?
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#26  
I'd trust the Ford warranty more personally. Shame you have to buy warranty. I've been told on the 6.0 gas GM trucks they gave you an extended warranty if they had lifter knocking. I have one and it has it bad but doesn't seem to hurt anything.

I heard the Ford warranty was the only one worth buying, but then again, I was told Ford trucks were the ony ones worth buying, too. lol
Yes, I have to buy the warranty. As bad as it is having to fork out 3K to a company that builds this kind of unreliable truck, some of the costs involved in repairing these things is astounding.

Lt Cheg: I hear you on the fuel economy. I can easily go through $100 tank of fuel in a few days just running local errands. I had no idea these things could guzzle fuel like this. Aside from the Mickey mouse diesel engine and transmission, I like the rest of the truck. Hooked up to a 22K gooseneck, it feels pretty stable, but the drivetrain is lacking.
 
   / Anyone else have a 6.4L ford diesel? #27  
Hahaha, I wish $100 every few days. I average about $80/day.
 
   / Anyone else have a 6.4L ford diesel? #28  
Hay Dude, you can get a 4500 or 5500 chassis cab in a Ram. Might be worth considering. They have the 6.7 Cummins but like Ford it's at a reduced horsepower rating for the chassis cab.
 
   / Anyone else have a 6.4L ford diesel?
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#29  
Hay Dude, you can get a 4500 or 5500 chassis cab in a Ram. Might be worth considering. They have the 6.7 Cummins but like Ford it's at a reduced horsepower rating for the chassis cab.

I'm thinking about it, but one of the reasons I stick with Ford is political in nature. They also have a nice chassis, but Ford's drivetrain always seems to lag behind.
I'd love to have a 550 with an 8.3L "dollar store" Cummins and an Ally behind it. I really don't care for the powerstroke engines.....too unreliable and never thoroughly tested before they're dumped on us.
 
   / Anyone else have a 6.4L ford diesel? #30  
If you're hauling heavy loads all the time, maybe an F-650 with the 6.7 Cummins and Allison or manual trans may be a good choice. My personal preference would be an International 4300 or 4400 with a DT466 or 570 and either a 6 speed Allison or maybe a 7 or 10 speed manual. These are much more heavy-duty than any chassis-cab pickup and don't cost any more than a nice pickup.

You can also buy a used single axle tractor with maybe 200,000 miles for very reasonable money and use it to pull a gooseneck trailer. I'm thinking about doing that in a few years in stead of buying another dually pickup.
 
   / Anyone else have a 6.4L ford diesel?
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#31  
Wont work. Needs to be 4WD and fit in a garage. Not gonna do that with a true medium, but as you suggested, the ram 5500 4WD cummins/aisin might be as good as it gets.
Just don't like the bailout money they got and they're hencho in mexico, too.
 
   / Anyone else have a 6.4L ford diesel? #32  
Hay Dude said:
Wont work. Needs to be 4WD and fit in a garage. Not gonna do that with a true medium, but as you suggested, the ram 5500 4WD cummins/aisin might be as good as it gets.
Just don't like the bailout money they got and they're hencho in mexico, too.

I'm in kinda the same boat, I really need 4wd. Not to mention I'd like to stay under the radar and not get into CDL land. Though if I could get a Hino with 4wd here in the US I might change my mind.
 
   / Anyone else have a 6.4L ford diesel? #33  
Wont work. Needs to be 4WD and fit in a garage. Not gonna do that with a true medium, but as you suggested, the ram 5500 4WD cummins/aisin might be as good as it gets.
Just don't like the bailout money they got and they're hencho in mexico, too.

The Ford is built in Kentucky but the 6.7 Powerstroke is built in Mexico. So far I really like my 6.7. I never had any problems with my 6.4 except for the fuel mileage and that's a problem with all the 6.4's.
 
   / Anyone else have a 6.4L ford diesel?
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#34  
The Ford is built in Kentucky but the 6.7 Powerstroke is built in Mexico. So far I really like my 6.7. I never had any problems with my 6.4 except for the fuel mileage and that's a problem with all the 6.4's.

Just to be clear, I meant the Dodge 4500/5500 is built in MX. I did know the 6.7L is built in Mexico, too.
I have the low MPG problem on steroids because I have 4.88's. Pickups have 3.73's. I'd probably be thrilled with my fuel economy if I had 3.73's.
 
   / Anyone else have a 6.4L ford diesel? #35  
The engine in a 6.4L is anything but 'problematic' if you do any reading on the engine. Yes, it has the typical sensor failures, but you're not seeing the head gasket/head stud failures of the 6.4L's, you're not seeing the transmission problems of the duramax or dodges, you're not seeing injectors go, or the turbos go (issues on the new 6.7's).

Most of the issues are regarding the DPF.

Delete it. I've had dealers say that to my face and that's what I've done to my own truck. 08, 6.4L king ranch edition. As for being a 'commercial' vehicle and breaking the law - #1 there is no way, anyone can tell. #2. If you're DPF is broken, there is no way they can hit you on it anyways. Any truck with a PTO or a hydropack would technically be breaking the law. Or anyone who's done any type of engine work / exhaust work. You could also turn the DPF off and leave it on. (Just not for high performance tunes.) So it's still physically there, the ECM just doesn't think it is.



And for the record, I'm at about 570 RWHP right now, getting 22-24 MPG high way. 17~ish city.
 
   / Anyone else have a 6.4L ford diesel? #36  
So what about cam failure, piston jets falling out or rocker arm breakage?
 
   / Anyone else have a 6.4L ford diesel? #37  
What foxtrot said is about right. Only problem is anyone I've known pushing around those kinda hp numbers in a 6.4 have problems, mainly the fuel system. Looks expensive when they have to pull the cab off to fix it.


I understand dodge is going to a urea set up instead of using so much egr and they are going to get mpg numbers similar to the old 5.9s. I read this the other day. Still not tempted to buy a new truck, I like my 07 5.9 cummins too much.
 
   / Anyone else have a 6.4L ford diesel? #38  
So what about cam failure, piston jets falling out or rocker arm breakage?



Out of all the ford dealers I've worked with and all the forums I've read (I'm on a number of powerstroke forums) the majority of the cam failures and rocker arm breakages occur in modified engines.

If you're doubling the HP of the engine and not expecting something to break, then you have a few screws loose yourself. Easy as that.

My failures I've had in my 6.4L with 90k on it:

1 stuck injector (Probably my fault, long story.)
1 Transmission temp sensor
1 Wiring harness on the high pressure fuel line. (Recall on Job 1 trucks anyways.)
1 EGR (Have since deleted it. Was my fault to begin with, running a tuned truck with EGR still on.)
1 Coolant temperature sensor failure
x3 Pulleys - 1 requiring a belt replacement. (None of them stopped the truck from working. I took it in when I had time to put it down. The squeek was just annoying and it was under warranty. One I fixed myself, and one they replaced because it was starting to go)
1 Anti-freeze line split. (Cheap chinese plastic in a high temp area? Go figure.)

Truck has been in the shop 5 times total in it's life with me - 4 years. The majority (Since 22k miles) It's been tuned. I expect sensor failure and I expect plastic parts failure. Lets face it, every manufacturer builds stuff as cheap as possible. Especially wiring harnesses, plastic lines, etc.

Even the old 5.9's had some issues - look at the 24V 5.9's burning up ECM's, anyone want to talk about that?

Thing to think about. These companies (Ford / Dodge / GM are all in the same boat) have to respond as fast as possible to EPA requirements. The 6.4L came up in under 2 years development, the 6.7L came up in just over 3 years development. You cannot tell me that these companies have enough time to properly stress test these engines under all conditions. I know they try, but there is no way. You're not seeing engines develop over time like you used to. Look at the old ford 7.3 or the old dodge 5.9 - they took 5-8 years to develop the engine before it was finally released. These companies have had respond to: USLD, 3 different series of EPA emissions, and now they're looking at Heavy Duty CAFE standards in a few years.

No one knew the long term effects of ULSD, or all the different grades of ULSD sold across the united states. No one knows the long term effect or urea - and let me tell you, there are PLENTY of issues with urea. You're hauling around 90+% water - what happens when the heating element in your urea tank goes out, and you're in 0 degree weather? Want to talk about thousands of dollars worth of damage and a real dead truck?

Anyways, my point is with any new engine, these manufacturers don't have enough time to properly test the engine. If you want a reliable, fuel-efficient engine, without the quarks of the new diesels, prepare to do off the book stuff. Or, you're just going to have to deal with the failures of the new engines. It's becoming the same way with HD engines in semi's.

Most of the fuel system issues are caused by people not changing their fuel filters. ULSD is a horrible fuel. You have to change BOTH fuel filters in 6.4L engines, every 10k miles or less. (I change mine every 7k) or else the High pressure fuel pump WILL die.

As for pulling the cab off - it's actually easier then it seems, if you know what you're doing. A proper tech can have the cab off in under an hour. Alot faster then pulling the front clip off a truck... Also, it's a lot easier for the tech to work on, instead of climbing in and out of the hood 1000x times. They can just step on the frame and lean over the engines. Most ford techs I talk to actually like it, vs pulling body panels off, etc. There are a few tricks to getting the cab off, the biggest one is heating a wrench up and bending it, so you can use an impact on the cab bolts vs. wrenching them off with a ratchet. This saves about 2 hours time.
 
   / Anyone else have a 6.4L ford diesel? #39  
Well I've never been around any modified 6.4L engines. The cam failure I've see where the lobes wipe. A good friend of mine just had his 2nd 6.4 fail from an oil squirted that has fallen out.
 
   / Anyone else have a 6.4L ford diesel? #40  
Can you be a little bit more clear on 'an oil squirted that has fallen out'?

That's fairly vague. To me it sounds like he had an EGR cooler go bad. From there, all sorts of **** goes south. (Including cracked blocks.)
 

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