Any Experience With Directbuy?

   / Any Experience With Directbuy? #21  
Charles,

I was probably too harsh on the cabinet makers. There are a few very good ones in my area. Only a few, and they get top dollar for their work. Most are just OK, and some are embarassingly bad.

It's easy to spend $40,000 on a kitchen when you have the high dollar cabinets, but most kitchens can come out extremely nice for $10,000 and less. I spent $3,000 on my kitchen and we're very happy with it. That's including appliances!!!

Eddie
 

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   / Any Experience With Directbuy? #22  
bigshovel said:
20 grand isn't all that much for a bathroom these days.
I guess you would have to see the commercial for yourself to get the context.
I just don't think that's a good price for a shower, toilet and vanity that are still in boxes.
 
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EddieWalker said:
Charles,

I was probably too harsh on the cabinet makers. There are a few very good ones in my area. Only a few, and they get top dollar for their work. Most are just OK, and some are embarassingly bad.

It's easy to spend $40,000 on a kitchen when you have the high dollar cabinets, but most kitchens can come out extremely nice for $10,000 and less. I spent $3,000 on my kitchen and we're very happy with it. That's including appliances!!!

Eddie


Eddie, $3,000 on that kitchen in your pic???? I'll fly you and your family out here to Pa, put you up in a good hotel, give Steph my Sako .243 to hunt coyotes with, and pay you well to do mine. Holy smokes, I'm looking at 5 grand for cabinets alone.
 
   / Any Experience With Directbuy? #24  
EddieWalker said:
Charles,

I was probably too harsh on the cabinet makers. There are a few very good ones in my area. Only a few, and they get top dollar for their work. Most are just OK, and some are embarassingly bad.

It's easy to spend $40,000 on a kitchen when you have the high dollar cabinets, but most kitchens can come out extremely nice for $10,000 and less. I spent $3,000 on my kitchen and we're very happy with it. That's including appliances!!!

Eddie

Totally agree with all of that. Custom cabinets have their place, but you pay for them. No reason to put them in unless you are looking to spend a lot of money and have a need for them. Even if you are looking to go high end there are some really nice lines like Neff out there which are really high quality, (marine plywood and equvialent hardware, a joy to install) but a lot cheaper than the same stuff custom.

I've done some nice 10k kitchens, and some nice 40k kitchens. 40k was still pretty good bang for the buck - nice granite, including walls, sub zero, thermador, bosch etc. 14k for the cabinets, custom would have been 30
 
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Wayne County Hose said:
Eddie, $3,000 on that kitchen in your pic???? I'll fly you and your family out here to Pa, put you up in a good hotel, give Steph my Sako .243 to hunt coyotes with, and pay you well to do mine. Holy smokes, I'm looking at 5 grand for cabinets alone.

3k for that looks right. But eddie's assigning no value to his labor in that, which I'd say is worth a fair bit! :D

Ikea cabinets can be a good way to save money, though the carcases need a bit of reinforcing. But no worse quality than that of most box store cabinets - particleboard is particleboard.

WCH, if you know anyone in construction or development they can probably get you better prices btw. What I pay for tile (Guessing the same for eddie) is not what you pay, if you don't know to ask for the trade discount. Some will give it to you for asking, some will be a bit hard assed about it.
 
   / Any Experience With Directbuy? #26  
Tig said:
I guess you would have to see the commercial for yourself to get the context.
I just don't think that's a good price for a shower, toilet and vanity that are still in boxes.

I understand your position on the commercial. I just dropped 20k plus on a bathroom renovation as a diy project. I am a commercial building supply distributor by day and have the best buying ability on the planet. New drywall, plumbing and wiring done by me less fixtures $800, new substrate, plywood and cement board , travertine tile $2200. Granite shower basin, walls and counter tops $9000. Plumbing fixtures $2700 body jets, faucets and such. Frameless glass shower doors $3100. Wormy chestnut vanities, mouldings, stile and rail doors, linen closet. $4500. All labor demo, drywall, plumbing, wiring, millwork and etc done by yours truly. So yes one can easily drop 20k on a bathroom that has no three point, fel, motor or fun attached to it thanks to my wife.

Brad
 
   / Any Experience With Directbuy? #27  
Wayne County Hose said:
Eddie, $3,000 on that kitchen in your pic???? I'll fly you and your family out here to Pa, put you up in a good hotel, give Steph my Sako .243 to hunt coyotes with, and pay you well to do mine. Holy smokes, I'm looking at 5 grand for cabinets alone.

One thing that you have to remember is that just about every contractor out there has his favorite source for what he needs. Price isn't usually his concern since the homeowner will just pay for it no matter what the cost.

For kitchens and cabinets, he just hires it out to the cabinet guy who he's used every time. He doesn't compare brands or look for deals. His profit is in getting the job done, not is saving you money.

I'm a little different in that I like to suggest ways for a client to save a buck. If I think that there idea is wasteful or the expensive way to do it, then I'll offer alternatives. Sometimes I talk myself out of a job. :D

As for my kitchen, I have tile counters, single tile backsplash, small sink, cheap faucet and simple handles that were a buck each. Price handles for some real sticker shock!!!! My appliances are mid grade bought on sale with discount coupons. My floors are badly stained concrete. That's something that I'm going to change, so the price of my kitchen will go up couple hundred dollars.

I built my 3/2 house with 1,000sq ft of heated and cooled living area and a 24 x30 foot attached workshop for $30,000 cash. No mortgage, nothing fancy, but it's comfortable and we do allot of entertaining. We have a nice place and people enjoy coming over here. Most of yo have trucks that cost more then my house, some of you have kitchens that cost more then my house, and now there's at least one person who has a bathroom that cost more then my house. :D :) :D :) :D :)

Thanks for the invite, but I have jobs booked up into August and others who are still working out the details before hiring me for their projects.

Eddie
 
   / Any Experience With Directbuy? #28  
My wife and I are directbuy suckers, I mean members. So, you won't get any "heard from a friend" or "I have an uncle..." or any of that stuff. Not here. I'll give you the straight skinny, straight from the horses butt, I mean mouth. It's the one time in my life that I have been openly scammed and fell for it hook line and sinker...even though my wife was begging for us to leave the place!

If you are going to buy thousands of dollars worth of stuff all at once for your home...it's not a total ripoff, but only a partial one.


However

I want to disclose some "secrets". First of all, it is "cult-like". What I mean about that is this. We were referred via some friends. They called us every stinking day until they finally got us into their "showroom" for a demonstration/lecture about their products and how they work. They made us both come together. The reason we had to come together is that if you are married and just the husband (or wife) goes alone and opts out, the husband doesn't get to join or vice versa. EVER. Once you've been to one of their secret handshake seminars, they tell you then that you must join on that day, or you can NEVER join. I'm not kidding folks.

Price-
We joined in 2005. It cost us $4800.00 to join. We had to pay that night. I think the varying prices you're hearing are because different "owners" of the directbuy franchise can pick and choose the cost, but don't quote me on that. Anyhow, back to the debacle...

Seminar-
A lot of high pressure. But, our close friends were members, so it couldn't be that bad...right? They walked us around the showroom, with exhibits of clothing, flooring, watches, rings, coats, tables, chairs, sofa's, etc. with two price tags on it. One is retail, then their price...which is less than retail, sometimes significantly. However, most of the stuff is in catalogs on shelves. You can't "touch" or "feel" what you're buying. You have to trust a picture. Also, the scammer, I mean salesman, told us they sold Rolex watches. They didn't have a Rolex watch in any of their catalogs. I searched that night after joining. When I asked the salesman to help me find the right catalog, he told me that it was one of those over there...and pointed. All this great service from a guy who had just lightened my bank acct. by 4.8k...go figure.

The internet-
If we go online, log in and look at stuff, there are no prices listed. We have to "submit a request" for the price. It gets emailed to us. I guess it stops every joe smart out there from seeing their real prices. I've found sunglasses cheaper at the mall than what they listed them for. Go figure.

The catches-
There's an 8% handling fee on your purchase. When you order something, it goes to the warehouse. You have to go pick it up. They charge you 8% just for it coming there. They didn't tell me about the 8% when I bought in. I found out later on when I made my first purchase. Oh by the way, it was hardwood flooring (made by Anderson, red oak, engineered flooring, "lincoln harvest" was the type). Anyhow, I ordered 5K$ worth of wood, so you can see that I was a little upset about the 400 bucks extra just for them storing it overnight. They never touched the stuff and didn't even help load it.

They also arranged for the flooring guy to come out and lay the stuff. He was reputable, did great work, but hardly spoke English. Still, they saved me about 5500.00 from the estimates I got from different sources for the wood and labor. He (the flooring layer) told me that if I had called him out of the phone book, he would have bought the stuff and sold it to me for the same price I had paid via directbuy. He gave me his card, told me to call my friends who needed hardwood flooring installed and bought. He'd give it to them at his cost. Boy, did I feel like a winner. Still, all in all, I broke even for my hassle as the 2 different estimates to do my floor and the wood material involved was waaay more expensive. It's like I said originally, if you are going to make many, many big purchases, you'll do great. If you aren't, don't bother. Here's another reason.

That 4800.00 bucks I spent for membership only gets me 5 years. After 5 years, I have to pay 980.00 a year from then on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Nope, wasn't told that on seminar night...if so, I missed it!

Their customer service sucks. Getting a callback is like pulling teeth. Forget about it. They'll call the heck out of you though if you aren't a member yet! They called us nightly, then we paid and never heard squat from them.

Also, there isn't a directbuy outlet in every town, or even every larger city. On some things, you HAVE to go to the showroom to make the purchase. Others, we can order online. Sometimes it's cheaper, sometimes not. Since I've already beaten them on the 4800 buy in, I don't feel so cheated, but if I had to do it all over again, I wouldn't. I would have done like 7 of the 10 at the seminar that night did....WALK OUT!

I would have to tell anybody whose interested in getting into the club, DONT. If you look around, shop around, play your cards right, you can get almost the same deal...without the hassle, no callbacks, lousy customer service, the initial buy-in whammy and the secret handshakes.

If you want to know anything more about them, just pm me. I'll be glad to furnish you information on my lesson learned.

Podunk
Directbuy member since 2005, Jacksonville, Florida branch, Phillips Highway.
 
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Thank-you Podunk, thank-you. This is what I was looking for. Real world experience. I have heard a ton of "My brother's ex-cousin-in-law twice removed" and stuff like that. I was looking for someone that had experienced them in the first person, as you have. Now I know what questions to ask when they call back and I can guarantee you I will turn the tables on this clown. I may even go take their tour for 2 reasons.
1. If I take up their salesmans time and definately not join, I will be saving some other poor soul from taking that time slot.
2. Boy the stuff I can come up with to badger them. Anyone want to bet on how long it takes them to throw me out?:D :mad: :D :mad: :p


Eddie, you did a wonderful job for any price. I can see why you are booked thru August. I thought the offer of my .243 would be the clincher. :(
 
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It's too bad they only offer a tour of their showroom.

Back in the early 70's my new wife and I would frequently head to Waikiki (I was stationed at Pearl) and choose from many free dinners in return for listening to a sales presentation for lots/land somewhere else. Had dozens of great dinners and learned "how to say no" to VERY high pressure sales.

A decade later when we bought our first RV we were peppered by mailers for '2 days free camping' and 'free BBQ' or TV or knives or microwave or....

Went to a lot of them and expected to see some of the same salespersons that had pressured us in Hawaii, but no --- it was a whole new batch. But again, VERY high pressure to buy campground memberships and we didn't, but accepted all of the free stuff.

I'd consider attending one of the DirectBuy presentations if they'd offer something better than a tour. Still would say "no" tho. That early education on high pressure sales has done well for us.

Phil
 

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