Another question about the Allis-Chalmers tractor

[RobertO]

First off, thanx to all who answered my question about Allis-Chalmers parts. I have another question about the tractor. It is a 5020 and I found out that it has 21.79 PTO HP. My father had a 4 ft shredder, but it has seen better days /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif. I am oing to buy a new or gently used shredder. Can I get away with a 5 ft shredder or should I stick with a 4 ft?

thanx

 

[CMunger]

A 5020 Allis Chalmers was made by Toyosha (now out of business) these were the same people that were making the Massey compacts at that time. Some people call them Hinnimoto, don't know where that came from. Probably should stay with the 4 foot.
Chuck M.

 

[Soundguy]

I agree.. Ift it had just a couple more pto hp I would try a light duty 5'. But as it is only 21.. and that was new.. and is probably less now... stay with a 4.. though I believe you should be able to run a 5' finish mower.

As far as the rotary mower goes.. don't get us wrong... It will probably spin it up fine.. but I would imagine if you cut anything over light field grass you will not be satisfied with the power.

Soundguy

 

[SteveM]

I owned this exact tractor in Massey clothing. Here's some feedback:

1) Hinomoto is the parent company that built these tractors. Now out of business. Toyosho was a subsidiary, apparently.
2) Because of this situation, parts are tricky. Grey market dealers can often be the most helpful, and used parts are almost the only option at this point. (I am talking about proprietary things like clutches, gears, pinons, etc) Common stuff like filters, injectors, etc can be found anywhere.
3) I spun a 5' king kutter with good results. I never felt short for power, often cutting material higher than the hood. Maybe I am easy to please /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
4) These are very heavy built, rugged tractors. The only negative is the parts situation....If you get a good price, you have mitigated the risk of a parts problem (usually it means a part will be very expensive, or you will have to wait a few weeks, or both)

In the case of a catastrophic breakdown - like cracked head or broken crank, you are probably out of luck completely- sell it for parts. But common stuff -pumps, clutch, brakes are not a major problem.

Hope this helps /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

 

[RobertO]

Thanx guys for all the information. I learned to drive on that tractor /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif I know how to operate it pretty well. I never got the grass off the shredder when I was done mowing, so it is my fault that the shredder is rusted through /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif
Now that I am ALOT older, moved to the city, started a family, NOW I decide to get a hobby like ranching. Go figure. Bought 15 acres south of my house. I started shopping for a tractor to knock out the weeds. Talk about sticker shock! Decided it was cheaper to borrow and tune up my Dad's! I wish it had a roll bar. And a front loader, bigger engine so I could cut and bail hay, 4 wheel drive, etc.. To dream.
I need to go before my Chief Financial Officer (wife) because a new tractor like that is WAY beyond my signature authority /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

thanx again for all the info!

 

[Soundguy]

You could always go one of the asian routes.. re: chineese tractor... Jinma's are coming in pretty cheap. probably get a 30hp and loader under 10K

Or a 25hp and loader for 8K

Just guessing at prices based on what I see nortracs ( northern hydraulic branded jinma's ) going for.

Soundguy

 

[RobertO]

Soundguy:
I was looking at ChinaImporters at their Jinma tractors. The price is really affordable. In a few short years I am going to buy a new tractor. I am really impressed with the fact that my father's AC lasted about/over 30 years. Do you think a Jinma will last that long, assuming I take care of it? The problem with a lot of these tractors is they do not have any dealers in the Houston area.

 

[Soundguy]

As far as tractor lifespan.. jinmas are new on the market.. I would guess they have been here less than 7 years.. counting the nortrac branded ones.
Hard to say what their long term life span will be.

Newer tractors in general... I really don't believe will have the longevity of our antique tractors. Lets face it.. tractors are not made like my 1946 2N ( 58 years old ) anymore. Back then it was all metal.. only rubber was seals.. and really no plastic / fiberglass.

Nowadays.. the 'sheet metal' is either paper thing.. or plastic, or fiberglass... including hte dash..etc. I think that will be the week link. Even if the engine components are well cared for.. I think the non-durables will brittle and crack by 20-30 years... Though that is just a guess. I have no data on the plastic they use. Etc. Certaintly care and storage will greatly influence life span.

If it lived in a dry temp/humidity controlled room with no sunlight.. was always cleaned off and properly serviced.. I would imagine it.. or any tractor might have quite a bit of extra lifespan.

Still though.. they just don't make them like they used to. Many of these antiques never saw a barn in their lives.. always sat out in the field where the days work ended... and they took the punishment. They were designed simpler.. and had less to go wrong ( less bells / whistles too ). Newer units do more... have better safety / ergonomic features, and are much more complicated.. thus have more parts to fail.. etc.
And that goes for all brands.

Soundguy

 

[SteveM]

If you are handy the chinese units may be a viable option. Lots of reading on this board and others about chinese tractors, setup, repair etc. Definately hands on - and they have absolutely no resale value (at least here in the north). Sometimes I swear that a kubota that has been burned in a barn fire would fetch a better price than a year old jinma- there was a 15 hr jinma 284 with loader here in the paper forever, got down to $4500 before the ad disappeared.

Makes you wonder... /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

 

[Soundguy]

I would hope the value would go down when selling. Sounds like the guy was trying to get what he paid for it.. etc., and not realistic depreciation. ( though sounds like he depreciated it 50% to sell it ).

I can't say that I have seen a used jinma in our paper.. though if I do find a 204, or even a farm-pro, 20hp / 2wd model.. I might have to buy it.. though again.. the early 2wd 2ohp models sold as low as 2999 here at the tent sales.. so I wouldn't want to pay more than a grand for a used one.. might make a nice estate lawnmower, or other dedicated service vehicle.

My wife wants one of those gator type vehicles.. the are between 4000 and 6000 bucks... heck.. I would rather spend 3400 and get a jinma... I find those gators more or less over-cooked golf carts..

Soundguy