Another Diesel Starting Thread

/ Another Diesel Starting Thread #1  

Steve777

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My S470D (Buck) is refusing to start, and I think that I have tried all my usual tricks and am looking for suggestions.

It ran just fine 3 weeks ago, when I used it to plow after a snow for an hour or two.

We got a big storm a couple of days ago, and it would not run. It started like normal, but never rev'd up the RPM after getting going, just puttered along for maybe 1 min and then died. Fuel was good (liquid, not jelling), and I was getting white smoke so I suspect there was some fuel coming in. Charging the batt and warming the engine and IP with a heater did not help, it just would not start. So I did some more investigating and the fuel filter looked pretty dirty. So today I got a new fuel filter. cleaned out the filter bowl, made sure fuel was flowing freely from the tank to the filter bowl, and put in the new filter. I bled the fuel line at the IP, got some air out and then a solid fuel stream. Tried starting again with the same results. It ran for maybe 20 sec at slow speed then died.

I am trying to figure this one out. There were a couple things I had thought of:

1. I didn't bleed the fuel lines enough. I was getting a solid stream of fuel at the IP bleeder, but maybe there is still air in there. I was thinking of putting some clear vinyl line in there temporarily to check.

2. Second thing I had thought of was perhaps the governor broke, and even though I pull back the throttle level, the engine isn't being set for more fuel. Any easy way to check this?

3. One other less likely thing is perhaps glow plugs. It was ~ 40F when I was trying to start it, warm enough that it should have caught even without the GPs working. But who know.


These engines are pretty simple, but I can't really think of much more that could be going wrong here. I suppose I could check compression but given that it was running fine 3 weeks ago seem unlikely that it suddenly lost compression just sitting.

Any other thoughts on what might be the problem here? Things to check?

TIA
 
/ Another Diesel Starting Thread #2  
I think I would bleed the fuel lines at the injectors, first.
Then I would try starting and if it did start but only idle I would loosen the fuel cap just to prove that the vent was doing its' thing. After that I would ask on TBN what else to check.
 
/ Another Diesel Starting Thread #3  
One of my tractors which normally started fine wouldn't start one day. Turned out to be stuck rings. It wasn't sitting that long before its last run. I don't remember how long exactly but no more than a couple of months. I had tractors sit for over a year that still started fine so I'm not sure how much down time affects stuck rings. White smoke indicates low compression which is a symptom of failed/failing rings.
 
/ Another Diesel Starting Thread #4  
Don't know what your running for fuels system. The smaller high speed diesels run nozzle into a pre combustion chamber and they are real temperamental on spray pattern into the pre combustion chamber. Have had what you are describing where the pintal in the nozzle has stuck due to a bad batch of fuel. Yanking the nozzle not to hard and have them pop checked. Bosch nozzles real common.
steve
 
/ Another Diesel Starting Thread #5  
Just remembered the Bosch nozzles will also sizes if you shut down real fast with out idling and letting cool.
 
/ Another Diesel Starting Thread #6  
Your symptoms are familiar to me. Sounds like you ran out of fuel and now have some air in there. I crank mine with the injectors cracked open slightly until the air bubbles stop. Don't try to start it on full throttle, maybe 1/2 or 3/4. Also don't overheat the starter motor and consider using a starter charger until it begins to run in sputters. Funny how it catches on when all the air in the lines is flushed out. I had a problem with a cracked fuel pickup hose in the tank. Once the fuel level dropped below the crack, it sucked air. Both tanks.

Running a fuel pump dry is not good for it either. If that's happened, the supply won't be sufficient to run at full power. Consider towing it with a vehicle to get a good starting rpm if you have gears.
 
/ Another Diesel Starting Thread
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Thanks to all.

Put a charger on it, then cracked the fuel line nuts at the injectors one by one. After they were all done it started up and ran great. There was a bunch of smoke coming out of it both before the bleeding and right after, so I am guessing that the air in the lines was delaying injection but not entirely eliminating it.

One other oddity, when it wasn't catching, every so often the starter would stop engaging but still spin. I think it was one cyl fired a bit and the pulse caused the starter to disengage. At least I hope that's what it was. Whatever it seems to have stopped with the engine running again.

I'll give it a few more starting cycles before our next snow later this week.
 
/ Another Diesel Starting Thread #9  
If you're referring to my post, the diagnosis was made by pulling the pistons and replacing the rings. The old ones being stuck (wouldn't expand on their own from the piston).
 

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