Alternatives to Concrete

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MMH

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Not really a tractor operation question but thought that there were plenty of knowledgeable folks here that may offer me some advice. I have a gravel driveway & can live with that, but need to set up an area where the kids can play basketball.

At $115 per yd. of concrete & $20 per ton of gravel & putting down 4" of each, I can pour concrete for $2.55 sq.ft. The prices I see for asphalt are too close to what I can do concrete for for me to consider.

Money really tight for now. Are there any other alternatives? Thinking about putting down a / the bigger size stones & then coating the top layer w/ smaller stones/pea gravel. Would this work at all? Any other suggestions?
 
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If you put down Crusher Run and smoothed and packed it real good and then soaked it real good with water it will harden almost like concrete...

Why not get some blacktop millings ( $10 a ton in my area) and rent a roller.
 
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MMH,

Last month I leveled a dirt road leading into my land that had serious ruts and low spots. I considered a local guy, but he wanted $14,000. SO I did it myself by taking off work for three days.

I checked alternatives and ordered five truck loads of crushed concrete@20 tons each. I paid $13.57 a ton delivered. I rented a Bobcat to spread it as I did not want to scrape my fairly new tractor.

It took me three days as I had never done this before. It rained sightly a day or so after I completed the road and solidified as Brin noted. The road is great.

The road is very long as we have 112 acres. Thankfully this road is near the front.
 
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MMH,

Last month I leveled a dirt road leading into my land that had serious ruts and low spots. I considered a local guy, but he wanted $14,000. SO I did it myself by taking off work for three days.

I checked alternatives and ordered five truck loads of crushed concrete@20 tons each. I paid $13.57 a ton delivered. I rented a Bobcat to spread it as I did not want to scrape my fairly new tractor.

It took me three days as I had never done this before. It rained sightly a day or so after I completed the road and solidified as Brin noted. The road is great.

The road is very long as we have 112 acres. Thankfully this road is near the front.
How permanent is this type of driveway? Can you give me details of how you prepped the road? Perhaps if it is cheap enough I will do my entire driveway as well. is crushed concrete the same as crusher run?
 
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Why not get some blacktop millings ( $10 a ton in my area) and rent a roller.
what are the pros/cons of blacktop millings to crushed concrete?
 
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Guys my two cents on Asphalt milling. We did a big parking area and some roadways at our fairgrounds a year ago. Stuff has held up very well. You don't want to dump it on a lousy base (loam) but if you have a solid gravel base, I think for a play area as described 2 or 3 inches ( before compaction) will work.

Stuffed we used was known as "micromilling" and came right off local interstate-we saved a few bucks as the contractors alternative site (their asphalt plant/quarry) was an addition 12 miles RT from our site

Key is you want to do it on a warm sunny day and spend as much as you can for a decent roller rental. We were lucky and had a big 86" drum vib roller donated. But I'm going to do my 500ft gravel driveway in the spring and I will spring for a small vib roller rental
 
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The only thing I would add is that asphalt is basically a waste product. I have seen many documentaries of increased incidence of cancer in neighborhoods around places that produce asphalt. Whether the problem stays at the source, or is connected to the content of the asphalt itself I am not sure of, but it could also be that it is most dangerous when heated and fluidized.

Something I noticed also on a rental property is that with new asphalt, one tracks some of the binder (under your shoes) into the house. The rental house had very light linoleum flooring in the kitchen and it had dark yellow staining after the first summer. That was a pretty short driveway, probably not much over 30ft long. I would guess this would lessen over time, but may be back after you re-seal it.
 
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MMH,

1. Crushed concrete is as it is stated. It is simply recycled concrete from buildings, bridges, etc.
2. Crusher Run is a special type of limestone crushed stone that is a dense grade aggregate, or DGA. This is a mixed grade of mostly small crushed stone in a matrix of crushed limestone powder. This is great but I find it too much finer than crushed concrete.

From my experience, crushed concrete is much better.

Past experience:
I had 80 acres in Arcadia, Ok a few years ago in which I wanted a road into the land as there was only a crop field with a trail into the land. Nothing special was done to prepare the road. The road needed to be 3,000 ft long and 16 foot wide. First I had Crusher Run brought in and stone. It immediately (almost) disappeared in the OK dirt which is the consistency of baby powder in that area.
Next I used crushed concrete and it did not disappear. At first I thought there was a lot of "dirt". Then I learned this was the concrete "powder" and held the crushed concrete "rocks" It solidified fast and held up to 30 ton and more trucks. Also I noticed Bermuda grass would grow in it and learned there are a lot of nutrients in the crushed concrete.
That was early 2005 and I sold the land in 2006. However; I did not have to replenish or grade the road again and the new owner has not had to. He does have to bush hog it every now and then as some grass trys to come in as it loves the nutrients!

Important to note: Tell the rock company you do not want the finer grade of crushed concrete at the bottom of the pile. That you want more off the bottom of the pile that contains larger (average 3" or so) of crushed concrete.

Recent experience.

I did nothing to prepare the road. The trucks would only dump the load. They would not slowly go down the road leaving a trail almost like a crown. This was due to their safety in case a large amount of the load moved back too fast and lifted the truck.
The road (as noted) was full of ruts and low wet spots. I first dumped the crushed concrete into the worse spots and smoothed it out with a bucket. There were slightly bumpy spots because I never did this below and did so with a bucket, but nothing like before. A scraper would make it less bumpy, but I did not want to take the time (as of then). I kept adding bucket loads where it was wettest and came back to the spots a few loads later.
When finished the road was in such good shape my wife said she wanted our extended family Thanksgiving outdoors near the barn. Everyone (all "city folk") came and breezed without hitting bumps.

It has been a month and no wet spots, no degrading of the road. I will come back at some point with my scraper as soon as I learn how to hook it up! Learning as I go and reading this site before I do "whatever".
Jim
 
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MMH,

By asking for "off the bottom of the pile" I mean higher on the pile not at it's base. The crushed concrete from my experience has more "rock" there.

The truck dispatcher called the plant when I asked for more rock or concrete rocks and the next load and there after was what I wanted.

Jim
 

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