Allis Chalmers WD45 hand clutch slipping

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The hand clutch on my WD45 is slipping... if I grab it and pull back it'll stop slipping (or at least there'll be enough forward motion that I don't think it's slipping). When I first got the tractor (a whole 5 days ago) the hand clutch grabbed really hard. Now it doesn't grab, the engagement is very snooth and linear, even if I just pull the lever back without trying to feather it.

Here are couple clues as to what might be wrong. I checked the oil through the smaller of the 2 fill plugs (didn't have a 8 point socket big enough for the other). These are the fill plugs with square heads that are angled at 45 degrees on the left side of the tractor behind the hydraulic fill plug/dipstick. It was low so I added oil till it was at the bottom of the threads... it took about 6 quarts of 80W90. Since the hand clutch is a wet clutch, do I need a friction additive in the oil? Most of the gear oil at the autoparts store has limited slip additive, I bought my oil from tractor supply specifically to get oil without the additive since I didn't think the tractor needed it.

The other cause could be abuse. My 6' Bushhog runs a little close to the rear tires and over rough terrain (the only type of terrain I have) the mower will catch the rear tires, which puts everything in a bind and could be slipping the clutch and caused it to wear out. I never recall it slowing down when this would happen, but it causes a series of sharp jerks as the tire lugs catch on the front of the mower. This certainly isn't the best thing to do to a clutch.

Any idea which of those 2 is my problem and how to fix the clutch if it's damaged? Or maybe I had a return spring break since I need to pull back on the lever to keep it from slipping? Thanks!
 
   / Allis Chalmers WD45 hand clutch slipping
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The hand clutch on my WD45 is slipping... if I grab it and pull back it'll stop slipping (or at least there'll be enough forward motion that I don't think it's slipping). When I first got the tractor (a whole 5 days ago) the hand clutch grabbed really hard. Now it doesn't grab, the engagement is very snooth and linear, even if I just pull the lever back without trying to feather it.

Here are couple clues as to what might be wrong. I checked the oil through the smaller of the 2 fill plugs (didn't have a 8 point socket big enough for the other). These are the fill plugs with square heads that are angled at 45 degrees on the left side of the tractor behind the hydraulic fill plug/dipstick. It was low so I added oil till it was at the bottom of the threads... it took about 6 quarts of 80W90. Since the hand clutch is a wet clutch, do I need a friction additive in the oil? Most of the gear oil at the autoparts store has limited slip additive, I bought my oil from tractor supply specifically to get oil without the additive since I didn't think the tractor needed it.

The other cause could be abuse. My 6' Bushhog runs a little close to the rear tires and over rough terrain (the only type of terrain I have) the mower will catch the rear tires, which puts everything in a bind and could be slipping the clutch and caused it to wear out. I never recall it slowing down when this would happen, but it causes a series of sharp jerks as the tire lugs catch on the front of the mower. This certainly isn't the best thing to do to a clutch.

Any idea which of those 2 is my problem and how to fix the clutch if it's damaged? Or maybe I had a return spring break since I need to pull back on the lever to keep it from slipping? Thanks!
 
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Well.. for sure, if the clutch is not fully engaging.. then it is going to slip.. that is.. if you can grab it and engage it a bit more.. it is not staying engaged. I'm not familiar enough about the wd hand clutch to say much more before looking at my service manual.. but have you checked to see if it is a ball/detent problem not keeping it engaged?

Also.. as tot he problem of the mower catching the tires.. not good at all. If it is a 3pt job.. what about getting some arm extenders.. or a quick hitch to move the mower back.

Soundguy
 
   / Allis Chalmers WD45 hand clutch slipping #4  
Well.. for sure, if the clutch is not fully engaging.. then it is going to slip.. that is.. if you can grab it and engage it a bit more.. it is not staying engaged. I'm not familiar enough about the wd hand clutch to say much more before looking at my service manual.. but have you checked to see if it is a ball/detent problem not keeping it engaged?

Also.. as tot he problem of the mower catching the tires.. not good at all. If it is a 3pt job.. what about getting some arm extenders.. or a quick hitch to move the mower back.

Soundguy
 
   / Allis Chalmers WD45 hand clutch slipping #5  
Try asking the guys over at www.allischalmers.com they have a discussion forum complete with old allis mechanics, collectors, dealers, etc...
 
   / Allis Chalmers WD45 hand clutch slipping #6  
Try asking the guys over at www.allischalmers.com they have a discussion forum complete with old allis mechanics, collectors, dealers, etc...
 
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I've found out the problem is the clutch discs are worn so the spacing needs adjustment. So when the engaging mechanism snaps over center it runs out of travel before it can apply any real pressure to the discs.

I've got a shim pack on order from AGCO that should fix the problem... though if I was going to use the tractor for any serious work, like plowing, blading, or pulling I'd probably need a new clutch as the current one is near the end of it's life as far as disc thickness is concerned.
 
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I've found out the problem is the clutch discs are worn so the spacing needs adjustment. So when the engaging mechanism snaps over center it runs out of travel before it can apply any real pressure to the discs.

I've got a shim pack on order from AGCO that should fix the problem... though if I was going to use the tractor for any serious work, like plowing, blading, or pulling I'd probably need a new clutch as the current one is near the end of it's life as far as disc thickness is concerned.
 
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I put the EZ hitch on today... my KingKutter brushhog needed some modification to accept it. Just like you suggested it gave the extra clearance I needed to get the mower away from the tires. I came down to $200 for the EZ hitch or $250 for a new 3 point hitch on the tractor. I went with the EZ hitch as it's something I can transfer over to my next tractor. I'm trying to not turn this old Allis into a money pit.... gotta save up for a new tractor!
 
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I put the EZ hitch on today... my KingKutter brushhog needed some modification to accept it. Just like you suggested it gave the extra clearance I needed to get the mower away from the tires. I came down to $200 for the EZ hitch or $250 for a new 3 point hitch on the tractor. I went with the EZ hitch as it's something I can transfer over to my next tractor. I'm trying to not turn this old Allis into a money pit.... gotta save up for a new tractor!
 

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