albino Whitetail deer

   / albino Whitetail deer #21  
From the Rochester paper--.


December 12, 2007 4:16 am A plan to open a pay-to-hunt preserve on a large swath of the former Seneca Army Depot an area between Seneca and Cayuga lakes where a herd of rare white deer roams has sparked protests from some officials in Seneca County, conservationists and animal rights activists.
 
   / albino Whitetail deer #22  
I do not know how large the Depot is but hopefully if this story is true then the guy who is going to run this is smart enough to manage the herd properly. I know some people will just go in there and sell hunts to shoot every white deer there as it will draw a premium price.

I really don't have a good idea on what to do or how to manage this herd but I think the DEC would be ideal for this task and they can sell lottery hunts for during archery season. This way they can manage the herd and bring in some money to offset the cost of running the place.
 
   / albino Whitetail deer #24  
Some of them had similar ideas as I did. Let the State take over and manage the place. There are a lot of possiblities for this site.

When we first started our deer farm we would go to Penn State University where they have had a deer farm of their own for I think at least 50 years. At the time we were still new to captive deer so going to a place like Penn States was great. They did not have a huge herd but talking them and learning from the people there was a lot of fun. It was a place we looked forward to going and they didn't even have any white deer.

We have at least 1000 cars stopping on Rt 20 every year to see our white deer in the pen and at least 10% of them either trespass or knock on the door to go to the fence and take pictures of the deer. To have a place like the Seneca Army Depot where you have the original, natural herd would be a great place for visitors to go and see them in their natural habitat.

I know I would go visit just because this place interest me and I see white deer every day (we have a cute white button buck right now as well as a couple white doe still).

I do fear if someone was to open this up as a hunting preserve the only deer most people would be interested in shooting are the white deer and the herd would be destroyed along with the history of the white-whitetail. All that would be left is another hunting preserve and if not managed properly that wouldn't even be around much longer after the white deer are gone.
 
   / albino Whitetail deer #25  
The area they are talking about is probably where all the storage bunkers were. If I recall it is an area about 5 miles by 15 miles long. If they include the old airfield then it adds another 5X5 mile area roughly. Protests or no, the herd inside the fence must be controlled or released to find more food and habitat(and be hunted) outside the fence.
 
   / albino Whitetail deer #26  
I agree with having to manage the herd. But from my experience, for every good owner of a hunting preserve there are 10 that only care about making a buck and will shoot anything and everything to make the most money they can right away. We won't sell to some of them because of their management practices.
 
   / albino Whitetail deer #27  
I saw a white deer on my place in 2002. It was during the middle of the day in late summer I think. I really can't remember which month. The deer was running across an open area and changed paths to go around me by about 30 yards. It acted like it had been chased. Since it was in the middle of the day in an open area, and by itself, I thought it was likely an escapee from someones hobby farm somewhere.

I had only been back in Oklahoma for a year and didn't want to come across as crazy, so I only asked a couple of relatives (who already knew I was crazy). They had not seen any, but didn't know of anyone having any around. One was the rural mail carrier, and he did not know of any farm having them.

So, what percent chance do you think that it was a escapee from someone's hobby farm?
 
   / albino Whitetail deer #28  
Who knows, could have been an escapee, albino or maybe even a piebald. Some piebalds are almost all white but only have a little brown and it can be anywhere on them as they are all different. These critters are a lot of fun and seeing rare ones is a treat.

Our friend had a piebald doe on his property for 7 years until it was hit around march of this year. We were lucky and a friend of ours saw it in a yard dead. We went to see how bad it was beat up and of course being a small town everyone stopped to see it. Our friend whos property it lived on (crossed the road to his property on the other side) stopped also. We all decided the deer was too nice to let rot so since we were heading towards our taxidermist friends anyway we ended up loading it up and dropping it off. Called our game warden friend and by the time we got home there was a posession tag on the door handle:D

Ended up costing us $1k to have a full body mount done but it is at my house now and if I think about taking the camera with me next time I go there I will get a picture of it. We have talked about displaying it at my friends winery (whose property the deer was living on) when we are finished with the interior work and the winery is open. He is not sure if it would be an attraction or a detraction as some people might not like seeing a dead animal at a winery. I think it would be nice if he had a display with the story of the deer and some pictures of it alive as well as how it died. But then again I am not bothered by dead animals.
 
   / albino Whitetail deer #29  
Robert_in_NY said:
Some of them had similar ideas as I did. Let the State take over and manage the place. There are a lot of possiblities for this site.

When we first started our deer farm we would go to Penn State University where they have had a deer farm of their own for I think at least 50 years. At the time we were still new to captive deer so going to a place like Penn States was great. They did not have a huge herd but talking them and learning from the people there was a lot of fun. It was a place we looked forward to going and they didn't even have any white deer.

We have at least 1000 cars stopping on Rt 20 every year to see our white deer in the pen and at least 10% of them either trespass or knock on the door to go to the fence and take pictures of the deer. To have a place like the Seneca Army Depot where you have the original, natural herd would be a great place for visitors to go and see them in their natural habitat.

I know I would go visit just because this place interest me and I see white deer every day (we have a cute white button buck right now as well as a couple white doe still).

I do fear if someone was to open this up as a hunting preserve the only deer most people would be interested in shooting are the white deer and the herd would be destroyed along with the history of the white-whitetail. All that would be left is another hunting preserve and if not managed properly that wouldn't even be around much longer after the white deer are gone.

I agree with you. Have the DEC run it. Have a lottery drawing and limit the permits that people can hunt with in there and have them control the population.

That or have a special season on them where you control it somehow. Other than that the deer will overrun the place at some point.
 
   / albino Whitetail deer #30  
Follow-up from todays paper after meeting last night--even with the storm!

Opponents slam pay-to-hunt proposal

Gary Craig
Staff writer

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(December 14, 2007) Opponents of a proposed pay-to-hunt preserve at the former Seneca Army Depot placed the plan squarely in their sights Thursday and blasted it.

At a morning public hearing in the town of Varick, about 70 people braved the winter storm to challenge a plan by a Waterloo-based company for the preserve at the depot site. More than 25 people spoke, with only one voicing any support for the proposal.

What has largely galvanized the opposition is the presence of a herd of rare white deer at the depot a herd that some conservationists say is the only one of its kind and size in the world. Some anti-hunting advocates as well as hunters have united in their opposition, maintaining that the preserve could be nothing more than a place for wealthy individuals with little appreciation for the outdoors to pretend to be sportsmen.

Waterloo-based L.M. Sessler Excavating & Wrecking Inc. has proposed to lease and later purchase about 2,300 acres of the depot from the Seneca County Industrial Development Authority. Sessler wants to build the preserve and a lodge at the site, as well as set aside an area for organic agriculture.

Sessler has asked the IDA for tax breaks for the project. The IDA controls development at the depot and would have to approve the project for it to move forward.

At the IDA's public hearing Thursday, opponents maintained that the deer could be threatened, that the land should stay in the public domain and that more tourism could be generated by opening the area to wildlife watchers than wildlife hunters.

Former Lieutenant Governor Mary Anne Krupsak, who lives in Varick, urged the IDA and Sessler to consider using the property to attract people to come "with cameras instead of guns."

Conservationists, including organizations that presented a display after the hearing about the booming popularity of wildlife watching, encouraged the IDA to refuse assistance for Sessler. The company has pitched itself as a very successful business, some speakers noted.

"If people are so well-to-do, let them go out and buy 2,300 acres on the open market and do what they want," said John Knight, a Willard resident.

Neither Sessler nor the IDA made formal presentations at the hearing. While IDA staff attended, no IDA board members were present.

IDA Board member and secretary Kenneth Lee Patchen Jr. said by telephone after the meeting that the board typically relies on staff to distill the information from public hearings and present it to the board.

The only support for the plan came from Mark James, a representative of the Seneca County Farm Bureau. James said the proposal would return the depot land to the tax rolls, and the hunt would have to be in concert with state wildlife management plans. The opposition, he said, was really a stride toward the banning of hunting.

The white deer are now hunted at the depot for about 10 days annually to keep the herd thinned.

IDA officials said after the meeting that an environmental review of the proposal must be completed before any decision can be made about tax assistance.

That review, which will be overseen by town of Varick officials, could take two to three months.
 

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