Alberta Solar

[buickanddeere]

The whole point is that Nuclear is just about the most expensive option... in Ontario. You cannot debate that. The cost to run those plants and maintain them has nothing to do with the end cost to the consumer.

What ? The only power cheaper per KW is hydro electric . What numbers are you looking at ? Tell us what wind, solar, NG and native hydro electric are being paid at this very moment .

 

[tcartwri]

What ? The only power cheaper per KW is hydro electric . What numbers are you looking at ? Tell us what wind, solar, NG and native hydro electric are being paid at this very moment .

The price they charge per KW has nothing to do with their operating cost. Ontario Hydro downloaded $38B in debt to the tax payor in 1999. That is the equivalent of $52B in todays dollar. We have paid that twice over in interest, and it still sits on the books!

Get out of here with your nonsense.

 

[Egon]

Ask Labrador about excess power and short sighted energy contracts.

I just recall a big boondogle back when Churchill Falls was being built. The details are long gone. It is a place that's a long way from a long way away.

 

[Egon]

Already have that. I don't understand what you believe the current distribution grid is and what this distributed supply is that you keep talking about .

How many supply points you got and where are they? How many levels of transmission? When a major goes down how big an area does it effect?

 

[Egon]

Just looked at sygration this morning. The wholesale price the entire day is zero to sub zero. Yet wind, solar, gas and native hydro electric are being paid full subsidized wholesale price .While Hydro One is paying NY and Michigan to take the power.
Demand is down in the province because the increased electrical rates have driven industry out.
Pay wind, solar, NG and native hydro electric the actual wholesale grid rate and let see what happens.
Where did you and Egon get the idea that the ideal method to make electricity is expensive wind , natural gas and solar . Then have cheaper conventional nuclear and hydro electric backup the green power ?

Where did I ever comment on the costs of different power sources?

I have commented that solar and wind can make a contribution and clearly stated that as in the physical sense. Your replies all just harp on subsidies. Yet at the same time there are surpluses sold at a loss. Somewhere there is bad management. Solar & wind can be on/off line quickly. The grid can source them from numerous points that can be well scattered on the transmission grid. Makes for less power loss and quicker rerouteing as its not high density.

And if you think I think solar and wind can stand alone you have been getting bad slough water for too many years. In the words of Marmaduke "Bilge Water"

It would seem the present managerial system of counting and informing is well suited for obscuring any revelations of money trails.

 

[buickanddeere]

The price they charge per KW has nothing to do with their operating cost. Ontario Hydro downloaded $38B in debt to the tax payor in 1999. That is the equivalent of $52B in todays dollar. We have paid that twice over in interest, and it still sits on the books!

Get out of here with your nonsense.

That so called debt was paid several years ago Was not that high either . It still exists on the power bill as a money grab.
Show us the proof of your numbers. That looks like something the anti nucs at Durham Region Nuclear Awareness cooked up.
Care to remark on the latest report from the auditor general of Ontario?

 

[buickanddeere]

I just recall a big boondogle back when Churchill Falls was being built. The details are long gone. It is a place that's a long way from a long way away.

Quebec stole the Churchill Falls power via blackmail because they transmission lines were over Quebec. The recently installation of undersea power cables to bypass Quebec has changed the power game in eastern Canada.

 

[buickanddeere]

Where did I ever comment on the costs of different power sources?

I have commented that solar and wind can make a contribution and clearly stated that as in the physical sense. Your replies all just harp on subsidies. Yet at the same time there are surpluses sold at a loss. Somewhere there is bad management. Solar & wind can be on/off line quickly. The grid can source them from numerous points that can be well scattered on the transmission grid. Makes for less power loss and quicker rerouteing as its not high density.

And if you think I think solar and wind can stand alone you have been getting bad slough water for too many years. In the words of Marmaduke "Bilge Water"

It would seem the present managerial system of counting and informing is well suited for obscuring any revelations of money trails.

Every operating commercial wind and solar project in the modern world is receiving subsidized rates above the wholesale grid rate paid to nuclear, coal & hydro electric. Once the subsidized contract expires, the "green project" is abandoned.
Are you ok with paying wind 13.5 cents, natural gas 16.5 cents and solar 39.5 to 80.2 cents while at the exact same instant conventional generation that is backing up the green power is paid 0 to 4 cents?
If the concept of expensive "clean power" worth driving industry into cheaper China where there are no coal plant emission regulations. Is pollution there acceptable and not here ?
Is this green energy first and foremost no matter the retail price ? Is nuclear and hydro electric not clean enough and cheap enough ?

 

[tcartwri]

That so called debt was paid several years ago Was not that high either . It still exists on the power bill as a money grab.
Show us the proof of your numbers. That looks like something the anti nucs at Durham Region Nuclear Awareness cooked up.
Care to remark on the latest report from the auditor general of Ontario?

Debt Retirement Charge


When the former Ontario Hydro was restructured on April 1, 1999, the OEFC was established with the mandate to manage and retire the former Ontario Hydro's debt and certain other liabilities, totalling $38.1 billion. The $38.1 billion was accumulated to build Ontario's electricity generation and transmission infrastructure that consumers are and have been using.

A portion of the $38.1 billion could be supported by the value of the assets of Ontario Hydro successor companies and other assets; however, the OEFC was left with $19.4 billion in unfunded liabilities (often referred to as stranded debt). The OEFC receives dedicated revenues to service and retire the unfunded liability from a number of sources, including the DRC. All the OEFC revenues are used by OEFC to meet its mandate, which includes servicing and retiring the OEFC's debt and other liabilities. This includes payment of principal amounts as well as interest costs.

 

[Trillium Farm]

Also the cost of repairs as you have to hire big cranes, also the decommissioning cost estimated "today" around $1,500.000 each windmill.
There are farmers around here that have rented land for these monstrosities, did not read the contract that said at the end of it THEY own the mill, it then becomes
their problem to dispose. Windpower works well, particularly on a small scale.