AI and it's usefulness in everyday life?

[paulsharvey]

I want to clarify, no way would I ever base a business plan on AI, but what it does do is let you spit balling a scenario in 30 seconds, and do dozens of them; compared to several hours for each possibility.

On a some what AI/somewhat not note; i was talking to son about why an Indian owned liquor stores works, and it's not racial, it's cultural, and how often a dad/uncle will do a personal loan, and then the owner basically works 12 day, 7 days per week, as the only employee, until they are paid off, and then brings in nephews. But the point was Labor Costs. And for the example, we just figured straight hourly, at $13.50/hour, at 84 hours per week, and kinda just how much Sales have to be made. Point being, there is a Strong incentive to replace as many employees as practical.

Our liquor stores example, I figured $5000/rent or payment; $6050 in labor; $1000 in utilities; and about $1000 in insurance; with a mark up of 30%; that's $43,500 in Sales to break even, every month. On the plus side, that's about 30 people per day; and 6,000 vehicle trips passing it every day.

 

[2manyrocks]

The potential for document fraud and theft using AI is astounding.

 

[HawkinsHollow]

Well, I'm sure there was a cave man that didn't think the sharp stick was good. "Real man beat water Buffalo with fists, sharp stick make man weak"

The analogies you draw between AI and other technologies that have changed human life are kinda ridiculous. Using the technological advantage of a sharp sticks to kill buffalo is a matter of survival. One does not need AI to survive or even thrive. And if you think you do, in my opinion, you are weak. You tout it's benefits, of which I am sure there are many. But the flip side is there are just as many negatives outcomes that stem from this technology. With great power comes great potential for both good and bad. I don't think we can truly grasp what sort of power AI will have in the years to come. I am also amused at how vehemently you are defending this technology. Or do you just like a good debate?

 

[paulsharvey]

The analogies you draw between AI and other technologies that have changed human life are kinda ridiculous. Using the technological advantage of a sharp sticks to kill buffalo is a matter of survival. One does not need AI to survive or even thrive. And if you think you do, in my opinion, you are weak. You tout it's benefits, of which I am sure there are many. But the flip side is there are just as many negatives outcomes that stem from this technology. With great power comes great potential for both good and bad. I don't think we can truly grasp what sort of power AI will have in the years to come. I am also amused at how vehemently you are defending this technology. Or do you just like a good debate?

Yeah, I'm going to disagree. In order to survive, you must make money and be competitive. Right now, you dont, but its coming. That last farmer in 1950s using 4 mules to farm, he didn't survive. Maybe he didn't die, but he didn't survive either. Any kinda profession, you refuse to adopt cell phones, you dont survive. A restaurant that doesn't st the very minimum have their menus online, doesn't survive.

Now, that's not the same as looking at a new tech, and making an informed decision of "that's not for us".

I think your point on the down sides, are largely macro/societal, and those aren't my problem. My only duty is to me and mine.

Ostrich hiding its head in the thunderstorm, doesn't keep it from raining.

 

[paulsharvey]

Heck, the Amish and menonites have adapted. Stationary motors, air tools, having one 'english" guy drive them somewhere, ect

 

[HawkinsHollow]

Yeah, I'm going to disagree. In order to survive, you must make money and be competitive. Right now, you dont, but its coming. That last farmer in 1950s using 4 mules to farm, he didn't survive. Maybe he didn't die, but he didn't survive either. Any kinda profession, you refuse to adopt cell phones, you dont survive. A restaurant that doesn't st the very minimum have their menus online, doesn't survive.

Now, that's not the same as looking at a new tech, and making an informed decision of "that's not for us".

I think your point on the down sides, are largely macro/societal, and those aren't my problem. My only duty is to me and mine.

Ostrich hiding its head in the thunderstorm, doesn't keep it from raining.

In the end I know you are correct, we will all have to succumb to the machine, it is the way of the human race. I think it is very short sighted to think in the long run that is going to be a good thing. This machine is way different than any other machine ever created. But neither of us is going to change the others mind so carry on good sir.

 

[Fixastuff]

I read a sci fi book where everyone had their own personal AI but the more $$ a person or company had the better/faster the AI was.

This made a huge difference in what the person was able to accomplish in the fictional future world.

The other book that comes to mind has something called ladders of technology described in it. Each ladder raised the human race and allowed more and more people to inhabit the Earth. In the end you find out the ladders were given to us by an alien race that was in route to Earth. When they got here they yanked the ladders out(shut down tech like Earth air scrubbers) and caused mass casualties. Then they arrived with the infrastructure already built for them.

 

[paulsharvey]

Wife was telling me last night, her work has started using it with to schedule, time clocks, ect. As simple as that seems, it was about 2 hours to get a schedule made, ever two weeks. It also removed the human Opinion/drama to some degree, automatically assigning "points" for late showing, no call-no show, ect. With that, it's a bit of a double edged sword, and they recently had to fire a guy "he had ten points, that automatic dismissal". On the plus side, the computer doesn't care if you like him, hate him, you dont have to hear his excuses; he's got 10 points, he's fired.

 

[Fixastuff]

How long before a AI personality does the actual firing?

 

[CalG]

I read.....

AI is going to put all the lawyers out of business.

Anyone can get an entire position with case history and citations to present to the courtroom. Just read it off.....

seems like a win to me.

 

[paulsharvey]

How long before a AI personality does the actual firing?

I dont know? I could see it, because it won't slip up and say something it shouldn't.

 

[caver]

I tried Grok well over a month ago on a lark. I have to admit it's real handy. Turned me onto stuff no search engine has. I use it quite often now. I initially tested it on a project upcoming with my backhoe. The info it spit back at me in several seconds was good from my own research on this project.

 

[paulsharvey]

My son has been able to get Chat to spit out simple blue prints. Ive been able to use it to summarize a materials list.

I am curious, anyone able to get it to 3d model an item, to send to a slicer to 3d print? The dang modeling is a pain, even for simple parts, for a knuckle dragger like me.

 

[WinterDeere]

I read.....

AI is going to put all the lawyers out of business.

Anyone can get an entire position with case history and citations to present to the courtroom. Just read it off.....

seems like a win to me.

... and the doctors! One side effect of the universal healthcare act, was that doctor-patient interaction had to be reduced, to manage costs. You've seen this in the form of being asked to see an RN or NP instead of the doctor, when you schedule apointments or get on-boarded as a new patient. This has reduced the role of the general practitioner to mostly only diagnosis.

But it's been proven, time and again, that humans make terrible diagnosticians. We are too biased, no matter how well-educated or intentioned, to see clear through the logic trail to a difficult diagnosis. But AI does not suffer this bias, and has been shown over and over to be the better diagnostician.

So, then one has to ask... with RN's and NP's tending to immediate patient needs, and AI handling diagnosis, what's left for a doctor to do?

 

[WinterDeere]

My son has been able to get Chat to spit out simple blue prints. Ive been able to use it to summarize a materials list.

I am curious, anyone able to get it to 3d model an item, to send to a slicer to 3d print? The dang modeling is a pain, even for simple parts, for a knuckle dragger like me.

I spend a lot of time in SolidWorks, modeling designs, and had been contemplating hiring another CAD designer to offload some of that work. But perhaps I should see if AI can handle part of it?

My primary interaction with AI is as simple as asking chatGPT or Siri basic trivia or weather questions, I haven't delved into actually using it for creative design work.

 

[MossRoad]

I read.....

AI is going to put all the lawyers out of business.

Anyone can get an entire position with case history and citations to present to the courtroom. Just read it off.....

seems like a win to me.

Not quite there yet...

Lawyers Sanctioned for Citing AI Generated Fake Cases

In another “hard lesson learned” case, on Monday, February 24, 2025, a federal district court sanctioned three lawyers from the national law firm Morgan & Morgan for citing artificial intelligence (AI)-generated fake cases in motions in limine. Of the nine cases cited in the motions, eight were...

natlawreview.com

 

[CalG]

Is it so, that present ai renditions can not discriminate between factual references and crap generated by ai?

If true, that will be it's end.

 

[CalG]

Now here is the real benefit of ai.

First brain study of ChatGPT users reveals AI making people dumber — MIT
83.3% of ChatGPT users couldn’t recall their own writing minutes later
Brain neural connections plummeted from 79 to 42
Expectedly — when forced to write without AI, they also performed way worse than non-users.
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dumber is better! Right?