Adding rear remotes where there are none existing

[bookel]

I have a Deutz D4006. I am also a newbie to hydraulics. My tractor has power steering and a working 3pt. I am wanting to expand the use of my tractor; use a post driver, possible add a top n tilt and an fel in the future. I'd like to add remote hydraulics to the rear to start with, moving into adding fel later. My thing is I have no idea how to do this, what parts are needed yada yada yada. I am very mechanically inclined. I do all of my own auto and otherwise work. I've seen some write ups on here for adding rear remotes to tractors with fel's but not without. How do I tap into my hydraulics and get me some rear remotes?

 

[jenkinsph]

welcome to TBN bookel,

This can be fairly involved and is imo beyond what I would expect to learn on an internet forum. I would suggest you starting researching and reading up on basic hydraulics to understand how they work. Not wanting to offend you but I would highly recommend that you put the money for these modifications into a tractor and fel that is already equipped with the hydraulics you want.

 

[CalG]

I extended the power beyond circuit buy redirecting the out flow from the power steering priority valve.

If you have a good diagram of the present system, or can make one, adding to it will not be beyond the advice of this forum.

Can you get together a diagram that shows ALL the present flow , ports and lines from the pump to sump?

You may need to tap into the circuit between the power steering and the lift.

 

[J_J]

Does you tractor have an external hyd pump?

Can you see a hose or line from the pump to the back of the tractor?

An open center hyd system will have fluid flow all the time.

Is there a hyd block or take off somewhere on the tractor for adding attachments?

Do you have a manual for your tractor.

You could also use a PTO hyd system to power everything hyd.

 

[jenkinsph]

Does you tractor have an external hyd pump?

Can you see a hose or line from the pump to the back of the tractor?

An open center hyd system will have fluid flow all the time.

Is there a hyd block or take off somewhere on the tractor for adding attachments?

Do you have a manual for your tractor.

You could also use a PTO hyd system to power everything hyd.

JJ, as I remember the 4006 has a small pump intended for steering mainly. Not much flow rate to work with, will likely need a new pump or section added and all the parts to go with it if he wan'ts to operate any higher flow hydraulics. Don't know if the one I used was functioning normally (and I was younger with less hydraulics background) but you had to make sure your rockshaft was raised before you started turning the steering wheel or it would raise very slowly.

 

[J_J]

The pump volume is supposed to be around 6.5 GPM,

 

[bookel]

It appears I have a pump mounted up front of the engine. There are two metal lines, one larger one coming out of the top and smaller one out of the bottom. The smaller one goes to the right lower side of the power steering pump. The larger one at about half way back has a fitting the splits the flow, the smaller half of the split goes to the top of the power steering and the larger half continues till it connects into the left side of the fluid tank. On the right side of the tank there is a line coming out that goes to the bottom of the power steering unit. I don't know what the flow direction is but as far as hydraulics on this tractor this appears to be it. I have seen pictures of this tractor model with an fel so it can be done. I just don't know how. I can post pics if that helps.

 

[J_J]

Power steering circuits are normally med hyd pressure.

Put a hyd gage in series with the flow from the pump and see what the pressure when the relief goes off or at the end of steering travel.

You need upward of 2500 psi for a descent lifting capacity.

If the pressure is only around 1200 psi, you might be disappointed. The FEL will work at about any pressure, but you gotta do what you gotta do.

The PTO pump would work quite well and provide a descent lifting capacity.

 

[CalG]

From the description:

Small line from pump to steering control is pressure out.
Large line to pump is suction The tee branch connecting to the steering control is the exhaust The fluid return to tank.

The other line connecting steering control to tank is excess flow from pump.

Any unused ports (capped or plugged on the steering control valve that could be power beyond?

There must be a way;-)


example
Verkaufe Deutz D4006

Is your tractor configured as this photo?
Foto Deutz D4006 #671303

If so, Might be able to tap into the supply line to the lift cylinder

This photo shows a supply line coming from the seat area, going to the loader ??

Used » Deutz » Deutz D4006

 

[bookel]

Ok I think I understand the directional flow of the fluid now. JJ, are you suggesting I use an external pto driven pump? I have thought of that. I have implements that are pto driven and it would be a pain to take that thing on and off but if it turns out I have to then I have to. Calg, Those pictures are indeed of the same model tractor as I have. The second picture have the return line on the left of the tank going in same as mine. The line on the right of the tank is set up different than mine. Mine comes straight off the power steering control. Here are pictures of mine. The last picture is showing a cap on the right side of the power steering control.