A RED John Deere?

[Bob_Skurka]

Why would we want a 49% limit on foreign ownership of anything in a free society?

Foreign investments help to create more stable trade between countries allowing us to not only import but to export.

Foreign investments help to stabilize the American Dollar.

Foreign investments help to create jobs in America. . . how many manufacturing jobs have American companies shipped overseas (ask the guy driving the John Deere CUT) . . . and how many people here are employed by Honda, Toyata, Mitsubishi or Subaru assembling their cars in America instead of just importing them from Japan already built.

Our biggest problem with why we export jobs is our labor costs combined with our government interfearing with businesses. And then there is the fact that we are not willing, as consumers to pay extra for quality so we support stores like Wal Mart that sell about 80% foreign made goods but wave a big American Flag around so we feel good when we buy clothes made in sweat shops in Asia or we get that foreign made nut or bolt for .005 cents cheaper than we can get the American made one. And our unions here are a big reason we export so many jobs because they prevent imegrants from working for minimum wage in sewing shops in America or assembly plants for minimum wage so we'd at least have some entry level jobs here instead of shipping them overseas. And the governement, mostly the Democrats but often the Republicans, works with the unions to raise the wages, or impose regulations that drive more and more jobs overseas until the only jobs left here will be upper management jobs and service jobs that require you to say "and do you want fries with that. . . ?"

OK I jumped on a soapbox, but the country was built on foreign labor, with foreign imigrants, with foreign investments and we all became Americans after we got here, or after our parents or grandparents got here from somewhere else. And we prospered because we are an open society. But the unions are taking over the governement jobs (the only growth unions have is unionizing municiple workers) and the do-gooders in government keep handing out benefits that impale small businesses so that it is harder for little guys to make a profit. And then we ***** about foreign investors when in fact they come here and fix some of our broken companies!

 

[5030]

Bob:

Living in a "Ford" family, I can tell you that most assuredly, Ford owns a Share in Mazda, but not the entire company.

 

[kokopelli2]

well written!

dont forget that the only real reason that japanese auto makers build in the us is because of the cheap labor! aint that a kick in the teeth. yep unions now a days dont do too much good for america as a whole, but they had their time....back before labor laws and when monopolies ruled the roost.

 

[5030]

How about this......

""""" BOB SKURKA FOR PRESIDENT """"""

 

[Bob_Skurka]

I am not sure what % of Mazda Ford owns. I do know that they own Volvo, Jaguar and Aston Martin as well as several other foreign marques in the auto industry. GM owns Opel, Daewoo and many others as well, plus 40%+ interest in Fiat.

Case, New Holland are both owned by a French company, but the small tractors are built in Japan and assembled in Georgia. JD is a true world company now, but is still predominatly American owned while parts come from everywhere and building and assembly are subcontracted out and scattered.

The world we live in doesn't stop at the two oceans that define our borders and very few of us (less than 1% of our population) are from HERE, we came from somewhere else. And that makes AMERICA stronger. And foreign investors are part of that make up of America that helps make us the greatest power on the planet. But we do more to destroy our own economy than everyone else combined because we demand cheap goods but then set barriers so high that we cannot produce those goods here. Do you think the factory making steel for the Jimna tractors is meeting our EPA standards? Do you think their labor is being paid inflated union wages with excessive union benefits? Do you think the factories were built to OSHA specifications? No, people just want a cheap tractor so they forget all that stuff and buy a Jimna and then ***** that we have no manufacturing jobs here. . . go ***** at the unions for inflating the wages and benefits and go ***** at the government for laying down so many rules that even if we had cheap labor we couldn't use it.

 

[Soundguy]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( It's a shame we don't have that limit here. )</font>

We do.. to an extent.... foreign companies cannot own domestic companies that are/or own a radio station here.. etc.

Soundguy

 

[5030]

I never considered a radio station a manufacturing job. The media is a service industry. Like Mickey Dees and Booger King.

Problem with that is the price of durable goods and services aren't in line with the wages that service jobs pay.

In this country we are developing a wider and wider rift between the working class and the cost for those durable goods.

I agree that most likely the factory that produced the steel or the castings for the Jimma would never meet EPA regs and probably pay their help a few cents a day, but, without enviromental laws and regs, do you think for a minute taht we'd have the quality of life that we have today?

I am not going to continue on in the political arena. We could go on for pages and pages and never agree, but that's what makes this Country great, the freedom to disagree!!

 

[shady1701]

John deere has many makes and models so does most other companys they own pushmower outfit in germany like Skukfurk i think and many other coded projects. Some are in the works..

 

[Soundguy]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( never considered a radio station a manufacturing job. The media is a service industry )</font>

Yes.. -BUT- if a manufacturing company owns a radio station... that manufacturing company cannot be owned ( or taken over ) by a foreign company...

That has been a widely used subtle business tactic to prevent hostile takeover.

Soundguy

 

[yellowsocks93]

Hi Bob,
I was just saying Yanmar engines were good not directed at you because I did not think you said anything bad about them. Ford owns something like 33% of Mazda. If you look at the Mazda trucks they are really Ford Rangers ever since 1994. The Tribute was partially designed by Mazda and most smaller Ford cars use Mazda motors like the Probe, Tracer and so on. The new Mazda 3 (protege replacement) will have engineering from Volvo, Mazda and Ford. They will also have new compact cars coming out.

 

[5030]

stainedsocks:

You are a long way from the Mazda plant in Flat Rock, Michigan, but I'm not.

Next time I go by there, I'll take 2 pictures for you, that is, if they haven't changed the building's around.

On the south end of the plant, the AAI Alliance/Mazda name appears, on the north end of the plant, it says AAI/Ford.

Mazda is famous for something other than putting a Wankel Rotary in a car, they also pioneered a special type of light bulb. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

 

[Woodbeef]

Hey Bob,

I agree with you except on one thing,the ownership of CNH Global. It is majority owned by an Italian company not French. The Angelli Empire is the owners,better know as Fiat.....

 

[5030]

Woodbeef:
Is it snowing up there yet?

I am getting antsy /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif

 

[rdam]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Well, if its a larger John Deere starting with the Utility tractors they turn into John Deere designed and built JD Powertech engines. )</font>

Well, that may be streching the truth a little. The 5003 series utility tractors are built in India for JD. I observed a 5103 with a JD powertech engine that was clearly labled "Made in Mexico".

JD designed? Yes
JD built?.....Sort of /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif

 

[yellowsocks93]

That would be cool. They are also famous for the world's smallest production V6 engine ever made. Used in the MX-3 GS. I did not know that about the light bulb. My dad has worked for Mazda since the 1980's and I never heard anything about that. /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif

 

[Bob_Skurka]

Woodbeef, you are right, an Italian group not a French group owns Case/New Holland. In either case they would be speaking German if not for my uncles fighting to free them.

And Soundguy, technically you are right about foreign ownership of radio stations, however Vivendi & General Electric are in the midst of a merger and that will yield a huge multi-national partially European, partially American company that controls NBC. And via stock ownership, millions of foreigner own parts of many of our broadcast companies (as well as every other type of company).

And all we do is go to buy the cheapest junk from Wal Mart to save a few cents and then we all complain about foreigners taking over when we are forcing it to happen. If we can't compete then our industries will die, and to be blunt, they should. But in order to compete, we can't let the unions demand wages/benefits that are so inflated as to drive the jobs overseas. And we also can't accept regulations that are so expensive to install that even if our workers would do the job, the factories are so capital intensive as to be uncompetitive for investors to build.

 

[Junkman]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Mazda is famous for something other than putting a Wankel Rotary in a car, they also pioneered a special type of light bulb. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif )</font>

The only thing that Mazda of Japan has in common with Mazda light bulbs is the name. It was (is??) a trademark of the Westinghouse Corporation. The box pictured in the attachment came from my 1928 Buick. /forums/images/graemlins/ooo.gif

 

[MJB]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( ...very few of us (less than 1% of our population) are from HERE, we came from somewhere else. )</font> Technically everyone in the USA today is an immigrant. The "Indians" immigrated here the same as everyone else; the just did it earlier than most. Being born here, I am just as much a "Native American" as anyone. Sorry, but that statement just hit a sore spot with me. In regards to the remainder of your post I agree wholeheartedly. Case in point: my employer just this week announced that the 1200 union manufacturing jobs here in Syracuse will be moving to either China or Singapore. The blame falls mainly to the union for being a thorn in the side of management for years, as well as the State of New York for being so business unfriendly. /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif

 

[rtimgray]

First off, this is not a reply or message to anyone in particular (no offense, MJB, please)...and I haven't hung around the board as long as a lot of folks, but the subject of where tractors are actually made comes up about every two weeks (and I like that discussion - it's neat to find out where tractors and parts of tractors actually come from) - and invariabley, it leads to long threads with lots of folks whining, griping and complaining about people not buying American products, American products being overpriced, crappy, unavailable, is the Unions fault, big business's fault, the city/county/state/federal government's fault, blah blah blah blah blah - country's economy is the toilet blah blah blah blah jobs going overseas blah blah blah blah...

...and I'm not saying it's NOT partially/fully true, but what does all the political diatribe have to do with tractors? I love to hear about different tractors from around the world - I wish I knew as much about where they come from as Woodbeef has forgotten-but everytime the subject comes up, off we go down the exporting jobs/importing products thread, and I have to weed through twenty griping posts to find out that some of the JD tractors are made in Mexico or India...

...and again, I'm not saying that you guys aren't right or have some sort of point, but does it have to be re-hashed over and over and over...?

I really doubt that this will stop or even slow the comments about the economy/import-export defenciency, etc, but at least I got it off my chest, and maybe that's all the posters need to do...but do we have to do it every time somebody asks where tractors really come from?

Why don't we just tell them a stork brought them or we find new tractors under cabbage leaves...at least that would be different.

 

[5030]

The "tooth fairy" brought mine!!