A Grapple for the BX23?

   / A Grapple for the BX23? #1  

Rolando

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Does anybody know about a grapple that will work on the BX23 front-end loader? I'm trying to figure out if I can work with this smaller tractor, but I think I need a grapple for all the brush and tree trunk clean-up.
 
   / A Grapple for the BX23? #2  
If you want to really use a grapple and clean tree trunks you need at least double the loader capacity that the BX23 has. I would not try anything less than a L3130/LA723.
 
   / A Grapple for the BX23?
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Is the weight of the grapple itself the issue? Because the trees I am dealing with are relatively small, less than 8". Also, I was thinking that I would cut them down to 5 or 6 foot chucks for moving them to a pile. The biggest things I would be dealing with would be the trunks with the root system after I had cut off the rest of the tree. But this could be a mutt point if there isn't a grapple available for the 23.

Don't misunderstand me, the tractor I had settled on was the L3130 with LA723. But I worry about it being too big after I finish clearing and building the house. I can't see having a separate machine to cut the grass, and I only have 5 acres.

The other factor that's drawing me to the BX23 is that I could afford a BH with it (albeit a smaller one), which I could not afford to get with the 3130. I also don't need the capacity of the 3130 BH's, which also makes it hard to justify that expense. With the BX23, the cost of the package with BH is low enough that it is attractive for the minor things I might need the backhoe. I also like that it is more integrated into the tractor, like not adding another seat.
 
   / A Grapple for the BX23? #4  
</font><font color="blueclass=small">( Is the weight of the grapple itself the issue? )</font>

Yes, this is the real concern. Most grapple systems are quite heavy and the "official" weight limit for the BX loader is about 460lbs. Some folks have obviously found it will lift about 200 lb more, but I wouldn't want to do that on a consistant basis for fear of beaking something...and you'll absolutely need to leave the hoe on the machine to balance things out besides!

If this is an important function for you, than you need to take that into serious consideration relative to the size tractor you actually purchase.
 
   / A Grapple for the BX23? #5  
Weight of the grapple is the issue. I haven't found a grapple bucket that weighs less than 400 pounds. With a BX that only leaves 70 official pounds, maybe 250 real pounds of capacity. You are using all your hydrolics just to move the grapple.

If you insist, look at ATI site. They make a grapple attachment that would physically fit the bucket (it goes as narrow as 48") I'm not sure how much it weighs and what capacity you would have left after mounting it.
 
   / A Grapple for the BX23? #6  
I have a BX22 and I've been working on a few stumps at my house out on Long Island The 22 is about the same as the 23 I'm not saying you can't move them but I don't think your're going to lift them out of the hole.Maybe you might want to rent a machine for the job you are doing now and purchase the 23 after the heavy work is done.Attached is a picture of what I've taken out .I removed one already and have two loose and ready to come out.It's a slow job but I'm retired and have lots of time.
Good luck
 

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I went ahead and called AnBo Manufacturing in Washington State. I had seen on their site, <font color="blue">AnBo Grapples</font>, that they make a 35 inch grapple. Its shown at the bottom of the page and it looks like it may only weigh 250 lbs., although I'm not sure what they mean by "weight with grapple". And of course, the weight of the BX23 bucket needs to be subtracted from the equation.

I spoke to a gentleman there about the possibility of attaching his grapple to the LA210 Loader on the BX23. He said that they can accommodate any mount, but would need to research the width at the loader arms. He's going to check with a Kubota dealer he knows and then call me back. I'll find out from him when he calls what the net lifting capacity of the LA210 would be with his grapple installed and report back on what I find out.
 
   / A Grapple for the BX23? #8  
I won't do it.

Why not buy a BX23 and spend the money that you would use on the grappel to go and rent the proper machine for the job.
 
   / A Grapple for the BX23? #9  
I am assuming that what you are looking for here is a constructive reply so I will try and give you one. You mentioned that you had tree trunks that were approximately 8" around and you would cut them into manageable lengths of 6-8 feet so my assumption is that you want a grapple for your BX23 because you will have quite a large quantity of these pieces. I also have a BX23 and had some similar questions to yours because I wanted to use the tractor for shuttling building materials around as I was working on my house - so I looked into putting a forklift attachment on the FEL. I heard all the standard replies that the BX23 would never work for that blah blah blah. I did my research and found that ATI ( www.preseeder.com ) makes a forklift attachment for the BX tractors but the cost gets prohibitive - about $1000.00. So I started looking into making one myself. The basic problem with the BX23 is that you do have limited lift capacity on the FEL and if you start adding too much extra stuff onto the FEL - like a grapple with it's hydraulic cylinders you will quickly use up the lift capability. I looked at the Kubota manual and they list a lift limit of 460 pounds (I think this is correct) - but I saw numerous posts about how people used their BX's to lift rocks that I knew were over that weight. So I did an experiment using weightlifting weights to see how much my BX23 FEL would lift and found that I could lift 670 pounds from ground level up to about half height ( about 3 feet ) on the FEL - it would not lift that weight any higher. So from that my assumption is that the 460 lift rating is a lift rating to FULL FEL height. The ATI catalog also lists buckets and the lightest FEL bucket they have listed weighs in at about 135 pounds. FEL lift capability is rated at the pivot pins so realistically speaking your FEL (with no bucket) has a lift rating to half height of somewhere around 800 pounds. This 800 pounds is what you have to work with for whatever attachment plus the load you carry - if your grapple arms and cylinders add say 250 pounds to the FEL bucket then you would end up with a lift capability to half height of around 400 pounds. This might still be enough to move the logs you want to move. When I ran my load test the BX23 had the backhoe on the back and I have my rear tires loaded and I actually had the tractor pointed down a slight incline - I tried jerking the bucket around with the weight in it and the tractor didn't feel the least bit upset at all so on reasonably level ground at least this load is easily handled by the BX23. My suggestion for the best solution would be to put a toothbar on the FEL bucket and see if that is maybe enough to help you move the logs around. I used the bucket on mine to move some logs similar to the ones you said you had to move and it worked fine - I was able to get my toothbar under the logs and flip them into the bucket and carry them with no problem. I think if I was going to try doing what you are thinking of I would try and get a toothbar made for the bucket that had maybe 3-4 teeth that stuck out from the bucket a ways - say 6-8 inches or more and had a slight curve upward, you would then hook these under the logs and curl them back into the bucket , some bucket hooks on the top of the bucket would let you strap the logs down for the ride so they don't fall out as you carry them. This would be the cheap way out. Next step up might be a light duty grapple on the top of the bucket . If the purpose of the grapple arms are just to keep the logs in the bucket as you carry them I believe you could build something heavy duty enough to be reliable but still light enough to retain most of your FEL capacity. You are going to have to add extra hydraulics for this - you will need something to control the grapple cylinder. I personally think it is doable but you will have to do some engineering yourself and ask yourself what exactly am I trying to accomplish with this as there might be easier cheaper solutions to your problem - like a custom toothbar or something similar.
 
   / A Grapple for the BX23? #10  
Don't know how I missed this thread, but I did. I have a working grapple on my BX22 and it has been great assistance to me for moving brush, rocks, trees, and many other things. I know that the change of the loader valve design on the BX23 has presented another dimension to this existing grapple, however after speaking to the manufacturer it looks like a mount to accommodate the new style BX loader valves will be completed in time for spring clean up work. Here is a picture of it mounted on my BX23 bucket in the closed position.
 

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