Using a pond scoop to make a small levy, so loads can be heavy. 3 pt will raise with heavy load but slowly some times. My issue is after I have dumped a loaded & getting ready to lower scoop to pick up another it will not lower. The CONTROL LEVER GETS VERY HARD TO MOVE & WILL NOT GO DOWN. Even if I force it down half way a empty bucket will not move down. I can occasionally move lever up & down a little at the top of quadrant and get it to work. If it ever does work control lever now moves freely up and down like normal. Fill up scoop, lifts ok drive to dump & dump it. Then sticks up high again in most cases but not all. I am wondering since pan flips to dump the load is this causing some type on Binding of 3 pt. Last time I used it and dumped it stuck up high. I can jump up & down on either lift arm and this does not help. Jump up & down on scoop bucket & shake it. This does not help. So the last time I drove it 200 yds back to shed. When got there I lowered Control Lever the pond scoop lowered as usual. Go figure
53 jubilee hydraulic will not lower all the time.
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Does your Jubilee have draft control? If so, can it be disengaged? It sounds like you are accidently actuating the draft control when dumping. Maybe posting a photo of the area where the top link attaches to the tractor would show that.
Or, go to where the top link attaches to the tractor. If there are several choices of pin holes for the top link, chose the one closest to the pivot.
Or, go to where the top link attaches to the tractor. If there are several choices of pin holes for the top link, chose the one closest to the pivot.
Yes it has a draft control. Had issues with hydraulic when first got it. Wouldn't lift heavy loads so pulled off lift cover & took in for repairs. Didn't have trailer to haul tractor. Repair didn't last 2 months had them fix again but made them let me watch. Lasted 6-8 months that time. So i fixed it right this time about 3 yrs ago and has worked fine since. I do have a small leak in accessory plate area. Any load will drop to ground in 5 minutes. Wasn't going to fix till it got worst. I don't think this has anything to do with it. Working is rough terrain so I will check draft control, didn't think about that. And I and in the top pin hole on link rocker
Draft control was not engaged
It is working fine now with me not having a load in bucket.
I did engage this disengage the Draft Control. Only thing I noticed was bucket was not quite level so used hand crank to level it. Never had it bind up nor the control lever freezing up. I ran it up and down fine about 10 times. Got me baffled!
It is working fine now with me not having a load in bucket.
I did engage this disengage the Draft Control. Only thing I noticed was bucket was not quite level so used hand crank to level it. Never had it bind up nor the control lever freezing up. I ran it up and down fine about 10 times. Got me baffled!
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Well, darn it. The draft control sure sounded good. We know draft control engages when there is compression on the top link. I don't know which way your top link rocker is oriented. We also know on old tractors that one of the rocker pin holes makes draft control real sensitive, and the hole nearest the rocker pivot is what is used to "turn off" the draft control.
Of course most implements hang so far to the rear of the lower lift arms that draft control is a non-issue unless doing something like plowing and hit a big root.
BUT.... if you are using an old fashioned 3pt dump dump bucket/manure scoop then you know it is possible to back into a load so deep with the dump bucket so that all the weight is inboard of the lower lift arms. .....
Not saying that is what is happening, but having weight too far forward on a 3pt dump bucket could conceivably trigger the draft control.
I'd better attach a picture of a 3pt dump bucket. They are almost unknown anymore.
And try to figure out what else could be happening.
Have you got a heavy implement that sticks out the back a ways? If so, you could put it on and see if the problem still happens. That would tell us for sure that draft control was or was not involved.
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Yes this is the bucket I am using.
I am in the top pin hole of picture I attached below of the rocker it is oriented as the picture
I will move it down one.
Since I am dumping loads on top of loads with the bucket it does have a tendency to push the lift arm up higher. As the bucket flips & dumps on these mounds it will force the arms up some.
Once when digging up a load I hit a root pretty hard. It jammed up everything with lift arms down & bucket half way flipped. It took a bit to get it unstuck.As I think about it this seems like when issues started.
Yes the "pond scoop" is not seen much. Got a deal on 53 jubilee. Came with scoop, disk, breaking plow, cultivator, bush hog, box blade, 2 row planter & a boom arm all for $3000 back in 2020.
I am in the top pin hole of picture I attached below of the rocker it is oriented as the picture
I will move it down one.
Since I am dumping loads on top of loads with the bucket it does have a tendency to push the lift arm up higher. As the bucket flips & dumps on these mounds it will force the arms up some.
Once when digging up a load I hit a root pretty hard. It jammed up everything with lift arms down & bucket half way flipped. It took a bit to get it unstuck.As I think about it this seems like when issues started.
Yes the "pond scoop" is not seen much. Got a deal on 53 jubilee. Came with scoop, disk, breaking plow, cultivator, bush hog, box blade, 2 row planter & a boom arm all for $3000 back in 2020.
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You did get quite a deal. Might be the best deal of the year. If the draft is not the culprit - and hooking up to any of those heavier implements should answer that - then my guess is you will be back inside that 3pt again. This time looking for something bent or sheared.
Maybe set the 3pt adjustments by the book one more time just to be sure before opening it up if it comes to that.
There are a whole lot worse jobs than messing with a classic Ford in a warm winter workshop.
Maybe set the 3pt adjustments by the book one more time just to be sure before opening it up if it comes to that.
There are a whole lot worse jobs than messing with a classic Ford in a warm winter workshop.
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You should be using the bottom hole with the pond scoop. The top hole is for use with light draft implements like a cultivator.
Using the top hole and jamming the scoop is, IMHO, what has caused your problem, it has probably bent the internal linkage by putting to much force on them. It has happened before to others because most do not understand the use of the different positions/hole of the rocker. I know I was just as guilty of using the top hole before I fully understood.
