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5210 won't start
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Re: 5210 won\'t start
Well, the tractor still won't start. I replaced the fuel filter, and that didn't change a thing. It will still crank and hit a few licks when I spray in some starting fluid, but it goes dead as soon as the fluid runs out. There is no smoke coming out the exhaust; it isn't getting any fuel at all.
The manual shows what it calls an "electric fuel shutoff" on top of the injector pump. There doesn't seem to be anything showing except 2 screws, with wires running to them. As best I could tell, there is current at one screw, but not at the other. Is this a solenoid? If so, I assume the power goes in on one screw and out on the other? If so, could I just jump a wire across the 2 screws and get it to crank?
How do you replace this shutoff? It looks like it is mounted inside the injector pump. I was expecting it to be something mounted on the outside.
I've got an uncle that is going to look at it this weekend, but would sure appreciate any help.
Thanks again,
Steve
Well, the tractor still won't start. I replaced the fuel filter, and that didn't change a thing. It will still crank and hit a few licks when I spray in some starting fluid, but it goes dead as soon as the fluid runs out. There is no smoke coming out the exhaust; it isn't getting any fuel at all.
The manual shows what it calls an "electric fuel shutoff" on top of the injector pump. There doesn't seem to be anything showing except 2 screws, with wires running to them. As best I could tell, there is current at one screw, but not at the other. Is this a solenoid? If so, I assume the power goes in on one screw and out on the other? If so, could I just jump a wire across the 2 screws and get it to crank?
How do you replace this shutoff? It looks like it is mounted inside the injector pump. I was expecting it to be something mounted on the outside.
I've got an uncle that is going to look at it this weekend, but would sure appreciate any help.
Thanks again,
Steve
Re: 5210 won\'t start
Here's a link to a picture of it. You can see the 2 screws near the center of the picture, though one of the screws is covered by the rubber protector.
http://home.bellsouth.net/p/s/community.dll?ep=87&subpageid=250111&ck=
Here's a link to a picture of it. You can see the 2 screws near the center of the picture, though one of the screws is covered by the rubber protector.
http://home.bellsouth.net/p/s/community.dll?ep=87&subpageid=250111&ck=
Re: 5210 won\'t start
>>>I do believe the Solenoid is inside of the Injection Pump<<<
You are right, it is inside. I talked to a JD dealership this afternoon. It is inside the pump, and the pump must be removed with a special tool, which of course, I don't have. But here is the fun part - JD doesn't stock or replace the electric fuel shutoff! It has to be sent off to a place that specializes in pump repair. I'd love to talk to the engineer that designed a system so that a simple solenoid is going to probably cost several hundred dollars and who knows how long to replace.
Thanks for all the help. Looks like I'm going to be paying for not one, but two service calls. /forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif
>>>I do believe the Solenoid is inside of the Injection Pump<<<
You are right, it is inside. I talked to a JD dealership this afternoon. It is inside the pump, and the pump must be removed with a special tool, which of course, I don't have. But here is the fun part - JD doesn't stock or replace the electric fuel shutoff! It has to be sent off to a place that specializes in pump repair. I'd love to talk to the engineer that designed a system so that a simple solenoid is going to probably cost several hundred dollars and who knows how long to replace.
Thanks for all the help. Looks like I'm going to be paying for not one, but two service calls. /forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif
Re: 5210 won\'t start
I can understand your concern. Injection Pumps need to be serviced in a clean environment (sometimes referred to as a clean room), something very few JD Dealerships have. Injection Pump repair (in this Industry) is 99% farmed out to reputable repair shops-we used to be able to repair the old Roosa Master Pumps, but that design has long since been replaced-I realize that it is an inconvenience, but I have noticed that the Tractors that have an outside mounted Solenoid do tend to have more trouble (being exposed to dirt, fuel, the elements, so on)-
I can understand your concern. Injection Pumps need to be serviced in a clean environment (sometimes referred to as a clean room), something very few JD Dealerships have. Injection Pump repair (in this Industry) is 99% farmed out to reputable repair shops-we used to be able to repair the old Roosa Master Pumps, but that design has long since been replaced-I realize that it is an inconvenience, but I have noticed that the Tractors that have an outside mounted Solenoid do tend to have more trouble (being exposed to dirt, fuel, the elements, so on)-
Re: 5210 won\'t start
>>>I realize that it is an inconvenience, but I have noticed that the Tractors that have an outside mounted Solenoid do tend to have more trouble (being exposed to dirt, fuel, the elements, so on)-<<<
Thanks for the info. Of course, if the solenoid was mounted on the outside I could easily replace it myself. Somehow, I suspect that might be the whole point of mounting it inside. I sure wish that it had a manual shutoff, and I'm already thinking of getting rid of this tractor and finding one that doesn't have an electric shutoff. But first, I gotta get it cranked. Looks like that will be several weeks away.
Thanks for all the help.
>>>I realize that it is an inconvenience, but I have noticed that the Tractors that have an outside mounted Solenoid do tend to have more trouble (being exposed to dirt, fuel, the elements, so on)-<<<
Thanks for the info. Of course, if the solenoid was mounted on the outside I could easily replace it myself. Somehow, I suspect that might be the whole point of mounting it inside. I sure wish that it had a manual shutoff, and I'm already thinking of getting rid of this tractor and finding one that doesn't have an electric shutoff. But first, I gotta get it cranked. Looks like that will be several weeks away.
Thanks for all the help.
Re: 5210 won\'t start
Might consider calling the Injection Pump shop yourself, some Shops will pull the Pump and fix it in Shop-make sure they are a reputable, warranty repair Station-might save you some time-
With regard to the increased complexity of the Shutoff system, I could be absolutely wrong with this statement (I'm certain someone will correct me on this), but I am not aware of any major Tractors made today without an Electric Fuel Shutoff-
Might consider calling the Injection Pump shop yourself, some Shops will pull the Pump and fix it in Shop-make sure they are a reputable, warranty repair Station-might save you some time-
With regard to the increased complexity of the Shutoff system, I could be absolutely wrong with this statement (I'm certain someone will correct me on this), but I am not aware of any major Tractors made today without an Electric Fuel Shutoff-
Re: 5210 won\'t start
>>>With regard to the increased complexity of the Shutoff system, I could be absolutely wrong with this statement (I'm certain someone will correct me on this), but I am not aware of any major Tractors made today without an Electric Fuel Shutoff- <<<
Thanks again for the info plowrup. They may not make them that way anymore, but they made plenty of them in the past, and I'm sure I can find a good one if I look. And even 20 years old, they can be a heck of a lot more reliable than the junk that is made today. I've got a Super C that was made in the late 40's that is more reliable than this thing. And when it does cause a problem, I can usually fix it myself.
Take care.
>>>With regard to the increased complexity of the Shutoff system, I could be absolutely wrong with this statement (I'm certain someone will correct me on this), but I am not aware of any major Tractors made today without an Electric Fuel Shutoff- <<<
Thanks again for the info plowrup. They may not make them that way anymore, but they made plenty of them in the past, and I'm sure I can find a good one if I look. And even 20 years old, they can be a heck of a lot more reliable than the junk that is made today. I've got a Super C that was made in the late 40's that is more reliable than this thing. And when it does cause a problem, I can usually fix it myself.
Take care.
bucmeister
Silver Member
Re: 5210 won\'t start
lekwyo, Where is this thermistor located. I have a 5300 that has out of the blue started shutting off, just like the switch has been turned off, on recrank it will fire up to about 1300 rpm then die again. Checked the fuse to the shut off solenoid it was fine, neighbor tapped on solenoid as engine was running and it would almost die then rev up over and over. Pulled the solenoid cleaned it up the tractor at least ran long enough to get it to the house as long as I did not put a bind on it. Am guessing a new solenoid is in the future but it would not hurt at all to check this thermistor thing. Guess I could run a direct fused line to it cause it takes 12 volts. Wonder what a new solenoid runs, thankfully mine is external and field accessible.
lekwyo, Where is this thermistor located. I have a 5300 that has out of the blue started shutting off, just like the switch has been turned off, on recrank it will fire up to about 1300 rpm then die again. Checked the fuse to the shut off solenoid it was fine, neighbor tapped on solenoid as engine was running and it would almost die then rev up over and over. Pulled the solenoid cleaned it up the tractor at least ran long enough to get it to the house as long as I did not put a bind on it. Am guessing a new solenoid is in the future but it would not hurt at all to check this thermistor thing. Guess I could run a direct fused line to it cause it takes 12 volts. Wonder what a new solenoid runs, thankfully mine is external and field accessible.
