45 vs 50 hp

[k0ua]

I found that out today as I called around. The one nearest me was cheaper.

What is an EX?

In Australia they are just called Daedong's not Kioti's. And the model numbers are different.. Different things for different markets. All pretty much the same tractors.

James K0UA

 

[Ed of all trades]

Have not read whole thing but this might help. I bought a 255 massey in 1980 and turned it into a 265 a year later after the waranty was out. 255 and 265 same tractor with different enjectors. 265 cost $2500 more BUT only cost $200 to change injectors. :2cents:

 

[IslandTractor]

Have not read whole thing but this might help. I bought a 255 massey in 1980 and turned it into a 265 a year later after the waranty was out. 255 and 265 same tractor with different enjectors. 265 cost $2500 more BUT only cost $200 to change injectors. :2cents:

Yep, it apparently costs about $5000 to machine a different bore size when assembling a DK50 engine than with a DK40.

The tractor marketeers are just learning from the auto industry. All the cost of manufacture is in the base vehicle and all the profit in the lux models.

 

[JoeBuyer]

For instance my DK45c falls just a tad shy of the minimum recommended 50hp needed for this particular boom mower I had my eye on.
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I've been eyeing Rhino boom flail mowers, which boom mower are you looking at if I may ask?

 

[phiferpharm]

The only reason I can think of for going the extra hp is to drive implements.
For instance my DK45c falls just a tad shy of the minimum recommended 50hp needed for this particular boom mower I had my eye on.
'course, like boats, you sometimes come down with five-foot-itis. That is, the next bigger size always looks better.

Well, the problem is if your gonna try to be exact, the HP gross on the DK 50 is actually 49. The PTO on the DK50se is 41 hp, so it still falls a little short.

 

[seacap04]

I have an 07 DK45SE HST. This summer I cleared 1/2 acre of woods and boulders to get a bigger lawn. My limitation was loader capacity and tractor wt. not power. I bought used and found the 45. Otherwise I would probably have the 40.

 

[Coyote machine]

Speaking of boats and engines, I bought a Yamaha 225HP 4 stroke this spring. All the way up to 300HP in that engine the weight is exactly the same. It was my understanding that they would have bored out the 225 for the 250 and 300HP engines, but some have suggested that the larger HP is accomplished by the engine's electronics. This would account for the same weight, but so would larger pistons and larger bores.
I mention this because as far as getting more HP from a Kioti diesel it seems they are tapping the consumer hard for the extra HP when in all likely hood they could sell the 50 for close to the 40 as far as $ goes. Your opinion may vary.

 

[WM75Guy]

Get the most you can afford. When did you last hear someone say "I wish I had less HP." HP is much more than piston or stroke size. When I went to Charlotte Motor Speedway for a NASCAR rescue class we drove over to the gocart track. They had to start with a stock 5 HP B&S or Honda motor. Taking out the restrictor plate and changing to racing pistons and valves (for strength, same size as stock) gave them 60 HP. They did 60 MPH on the straight stretches of the gocart track. Same for the Cummins 5.9 when we wrote specs for an ambulance. Same motor, electronics and fuel injection changes gave it a 175-275 HP range in a Freighliner business class chassis depending on GVWR and application.

 

[IslandTractor]

Get the most you can afford. When did you last hear someone say "I wish I had less HP." HP is much more than piston or stroke size. When I went to Charlotte Motor Speedway for a NASCAR rescue class we drove over to the gocart track. They had to start with a stock 5 HP B&S or Honda motor. Taking out the restrictor plate and changing to racing pistons and valves (for strength, same size as stock) gave them 60 HP. They did 60 MPH on the straight stretches of the gocart track. Same for the Cummins 5.9 when we wrote specs for an ambulance. Same motor, electronics and fuel injection changes gave it a 175-275 HP range in a Freighliner business class chassis depending on GVWR and application.

In Kioti's case however, the difference truly is just the displacement with everything else the same. They charge extra for deeper and wider boring and piston size. That's it.

I'd pay a bit more for more HP but I cannot recall more than a few moments during the past five years that any task would have gone quicker with more HP. And, there were zero tasks that could have been done only if I had more HP. On the other hand, there are many tasks that go quicker and that can be done ONLY because I could purchase additional specialized implements instead of spending the dough on extra HP. Two or four rxtra thousand can buy a lot of useful implements.

 

[dennis52]

With the increase in Global markets, seems the price of products is less related to the immediate cost of production. You need to take the time in estimating the value of something to your particular needs and what your priorities are with HP, Transmission and implements.

 

[whitmerlegacyfarm]

I have the Dk50 se hyd. and i just love it. I have used it this summer to make over 1000 small hay bales this year. Pulling/runnin a 9ft haybine and also pulling a baler and half loaded wagon on some moderate hilly ground. Im am very pleased with it. I think you would be happy with any of the three. Im sure you can do alll youu need even with the 40 seems the 45 is most popular. I always like bigger but reason i went with the dk50 was the deal they gave me cause it was a demo with 42hrs on it. Im up to 209hrs right now and baling another couple hundred bales this week. Good luck and enjoy

 

[Pdog]

I got the DK SE Hyd new back in December 12 my birthday was a nice cool day in Vale, N.C. Me and Pop only had on a light jacket, I had the dealer to add a 4n1 bucket I added wheel weights later so with a Box scrap I move a lot of dirt pulling the two axle dump with my Duramax diesel, the 41 HP Kioti in low range is a Mule on steroids has really made me very happy, I travel around the farm in M range because in H range the unit rocks back and forth excessively on unlevel ground and doesn't have enough power to maintain speed up a hill like the gear models, just saying I really enjoy this tractor a lot !!!

 

[CJONE]

I do alot of loader work, a couple of hours last night in fact. If I could get another 10 hp in this tractor I would, I lug it down quite a bit. Would a 40HP work, yep you bet but just not as fast. So if speed is important to you then go with the best deal vs HP you can get. My 50 was I think $600 more than the 45 so it was a no brainer for me. I have alot of hills and when the dealer dropped it off he said the 50 was a good choice because of that. I also blow snow and HP is king for that. CJ

 

[IslandTractor]

If each 5hp increment in horsepower cost only $600, I don't think there would be much argument. The list price difference last time I checked was in the $2000 range per 5hp. That is pretty pricey considering the cost of manufacture is close to zero difference. The fact that they can lower the cost to $600 is pretty good proof that it is must a marketing ploy to upcharge. Nothing unique or evil about Kioti in this regard as they learned the marketing technique from the US auto industry years ago.

I think consumers just need to understand that there are very few operations that really can use more than the 41hp of the DK40 and that adding an additional 4hp (DK45) or 9hp (DK50) is something they should do only if the particular deal is worth it to them. I personally just don't see that any loader work, any backhoe work or any work where traction is the limiting factor would benefit at all from the extra hp. I always add the exception for cab tractors in the summer where parasitic loads from the A/C probably justifies adding 4hp or so to what you would normally need for a task. If you are running a bush hog or three blade plow at max PTO and lugging then yes extra HP will do you good. I almost never run my DK40 at full PTO power as it is so it just doesn't seem necessary to add extra. I also do a lot of loader work but find rear ballast, traction and the relief valve are my limitations, never the engine power which I rarely raise above 2000rpm.

The savings applied to a set of good forks or a grapple or extra rear remotes and topntilt or Ratchet rake any other specialized implement is far more likely to improve capability and productivity than just plain extra horsepower. YMMV.

 

[Pdog]

IslandTractor, very well stated !!

 

[CJONE]

Thats why everbody needs to shop, once you find a dealer that is not trying to make a killing on a new machine and wants your business for the long haul you have found a good dealer! Everybodys needs and wants differ, I remember hauling 10 yards of dirt with a 283 gas engine in a dump truck, would it do the job, yep but I much prefer hauling with a 400+ hp diesel!!