4110 vs 4115 vs 4210 vs 4310

[glagen]

I have 3 1/2 acres, 1 1/2 grassed the rest wooded. I need a CUT with a BH and FEL for pulling stumps, small boulders, tree planting, installing a large watergarden, general landscaping, etc. I do a lot of work around the property. Don't intend to mow with the CUT because I also have a ZTR for that. I also have a relatively new 47" JD snowblower (off a X595 that I sold) that will fit either the 4115 or 4110. That being said, I am concerned that both the 4115 and 4110 will be somewhat underpowered, especially for digging. But, if I go and spend an additional $5K or $6K on a 4210 or better yet a 4310 with a 48 BH, I would need to get rid of my 47" blower and get a 59" blower -- way too big for my 125' driveway. (Like an aircraft carrier when all you need is a row boat.) Too bad the 47" blower cannot be retro-fitted to a 4210 or 4310? I am leaning toward the 4115 because it is 24hp vs the 20Hp on the 4110, but don't know how well the 46 BH and 410 FEL will do for the work I have in mind. Bigger is always better but $26k for a 4310 is getting a little extravagant for a homeowner, and why stop there, a 4410 would be even better and on and on. Over time, renting is a PITA let alone expensive. Any advice??
Glagen

 

[rockyridgefarm]

I think a 4115 will work well for you, if the 6.5' depth is OK...

Obviously, a 4310 will do even better at lotsa stuff. I have no snowblower experience. But if you COULD use the larger one, I'd check out the pricing of trading, or selling yours, it doesn't hurt to price your options.

The 4210 had a running change that bumped up its hydraulics, and is now a little closer to the 4310. The 4410 is only 3 Hp and the corresponding torque over a 4310. Deere specs often show a huge bump in torque, but the specs are wrong.

Don't overlook the 47 Backhoe. It is 7.5' and does a great job. It, like the 48, is a RSA mount. The 46 is a subframe mount, which isn't terrible, but the RSA is better.

The 4x10s are due to be replaced soon. That makes opportunities on the present models, and new features on the replacements...

 

[JDGREEN4ME]

I have a 4115 w/46 BH and currently I am clearing a driveway and about 1 acre (to build on) of a 5 acre wooded lot. If the stumps you are digging up aren't that big and you are not in a hurry a 4115 set up would work fine. The biggest trees we are taking out are probably 10" diameter or so. I leave the hoe on my tractor all the time so the type of mount wasn't a concern for me. I just knew I did not want a 3 pt. mount.

 

[Dave4410]

A friend of mine purchased a 4110 several months ago. He mows a two acre pasture and does some light loader work (manure) with it. He wishes he had gotten a bigger machine. At the time, I was shopping for a tractor too. I started his tractor and cycled the loader and knew it was not enough machine to handle a backhoe and loader for pulling stumps. I bought a 4410 with 48 backhoe and 430 loader, both with heavy duty buckets. I couldn't be more pleased with the performance of both, as well as with the tractor itself. The 4410 is just heavy enough not to be tossed around by the hoe. The loader bucket really isn't very big but looks like it holds a lot from the operator's seat. That just means I get to spend more time in the seat, but I wouldn't want a smaller bucket. I'm leaving a lot of trees on my property so the extra reach of the 48 allows me to go in between trees where the loader bucket doesn't fit to grub the brush without repositioning the machine as often as with a shorter hoe like the 47 or 46. From what I've learned, the 4310 is probably all the tractor the 4410 is and would be a good choice to save a few bucks, but stick with the 48 hoe.

 

[Cliff_Johns]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( A friend of mine purchased a 4110 several months ago. He mows a two acre pasture and does some light loader work (manure) with it. He wishes he had gotten a bigger machine. At the time, I was shopping for a tractor too. I started his tractor and cycled the loader and knew it was not enough machine to handle a backhoe and loader for pulling stumps. )</font>

Well . . . OK. But I must say that I've been using my 4110 with a 46 BH all summer almost exclusively for pulling stumps and have found it mighty nice for the purpose. Depends on how much of a hurry you're in. It has the power required.

I find that once I've dug around the stump a bit, a bigger tractor/BH would be able to yank it up and out while I have to dig a bit more first, but it comes out quick enough for me. I know I have to dig or pull one side then the other to rock it out if the BH sucks the tractor into the ground instead of pulling the stump up.

As always, if price were no object, You should probably larger -- though for me, I needed the small size because of restricted access to parts of my property.

I also like the attachment of the 47 and 48 hoes. Doesn't take up as much room when it's off (though I only took mine off once just to see how it worked) and they go on and off more easily as far as I can tell.

I don't mow with my 4110. I have an LT for that.

Cliff

 

[rockyridgefarm]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( the extra reach of the 48 allows me to go in between trees where the loader bucket doesn't fit to grub the brush without repositioning the machine as often as with a shorter hoe like the 47 or 46. From what I've learned, the 4310 is probably all the tractor the 4410 is and would be a good choice to save a few bucks, but stick with the 48 hoe. )</font>

No doubt that the 48 is a good machine. It is 1 foot larger than the 47, at about $100.00 an inch.

For me, the 47 is just fine. I don't have to dig deeper than 2 feet, usually. for trenching, I can have two operators, one digging, and one moving the tractor. So the 47 has worked out well.

Of course, I would love to have a 48 and a 4410. But I am satisfied with this setup, and with the savings.

 

[Bob_Skurka]

Given the size of your lot, unless you have extraordinary issues, I would say the 4110 or 4115 would work great for you. I favor more hp in a small package, so personally I would opt for the 4115. As Cliff pointed out, a small hoe can do a big job, it just takes a bit longer. So unless your stumps are from redwoods and your rocks are boulders, I would have to think the 24hp machine would do the work you need on your 3 acres and still have plenty of capabilities to spare.

It is easy to buy a big tractor, but it doesn't always make a lot of sense.

By the way, you might want to fill out your profile so we can see what area of the county you are in, what your snow conditions & general climate are, soil conditions, etc. Having some basic information presented really helps other people give better advice.

 

[bigpete]

If you zero in on the 4110 or 4115, the only reason to not spend the extra money on the 4115 is its longer turning radius over the 4110. Based on your described uses, the 4115 with extra HP, slightly longer wheelbase, and slightly larger tires and wheels is the "no-brainer" to me as long as the money is there. BTW, I believe the hydraulic specs are identical between the 4110 and 4115. They both use the 410 loader.

I chose the 4110 becasue I mow a lot of turf and don't need the hoe. I cannot speak intelligently about the bigger machines. Well, I guess I could speak intelligently abut the larger models but I'd be makin' stuff up... /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

 

[SteveH_CT]

Very Funny Pete - "Well, I guess I could speak intelligently abut the larger models but I'd be makin' stuff up..." That's rarely stopped anyone in the past /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Glagen' - I agree with the prevailing opinion - get the higher HP with the 4115. Depending on what your digging that hoe should be fine. Mike and I have the same tractor, but I went with the 48 BH, simply because I have a lot of digging involved with the work my tractor is doing. My land is riddled with very large heavy rocks and loads of stumps... or trees waiting to be stumps /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif. Either model will work for you, it's just how fast do you want it to work.

One last point - don't dismiss experience as a major contributor to how long a given job will take. Typically I get stuff done much faster now, as compared to when I first got the 4310. Like any tool, you'll get a lot better at it with time, and a better understanding of the machines limits.

Good Luck - Have Fun with it! Tractors are great /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif.

 

[glagen]

Steve,
Thanks for the input. I would rather have a 4310 or 4410 with the 48 BH but I need the machine to also do snowplowing and I don't want to purchase the 59" unit that fits these machines. If I could adapt the 47" unit that I already have to a 4310, I would go that route. Do you or anyone else know if the 47" snowblower can be retrofitted to a 4310? Thanks
Glagen