4100 question

[ponygirl]

Hi, I've found a used 4100 but I have no idea if the asking price is fair. It's a 2000 model with 334 hrs on it, HST, 4wd, FEL and 60" MMM & turf tires. They are asking 11,900. It looks to be in excellent condition.

 

[beenthere]

Look at a new one, and compare the price with new and the same options. Being it is two years old, you can decide if the difference is what you think is fair for that length of time. With new, you will get the warranty, rather than get one that is near the end of the warranty. You also will get the dealer with you, which should help if you have problems or need help with other attachments down the road. Be sure you are getting the options that you want to have. You may want a little more, and maybe a little less than what the used one comes equipped with.

 

[ponygirl]

Unfortunately the dealer in my area is much higher in price than what I've been reading prices are in other areas. I got a quote for a 2210 with FEL and 54" MMM for 14K so I started looking elsewhere for used. He also said he does not come down off his price so there is no negotiating.

 

[rancar]

<font color="blue">It's a 2000 model with 334 hrs on it, </font>

This seems like a lot of hrs on a 2000. Who is the seller....private or did this unit come from a rental yard? Rental yards can rack up this many hours on a fairly new tractor....individual owner is really working the unit to rack up this many hours. It may be nothing....but it just seems like a lot of miles for a fairly new machine.

....Bob

 

[rancar]

<font color="blue"> He also said he does not come down off his price so there is no negotiating. </font>

How far are you willing to travel in shopping for a JD ponygirl? If you have other JD dealers within a couple of hours drive, then it just may be worth it to do some comparison shopping. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

FWIW, I shopped for my JD 4710 last Spring....went to 5 different dealers.....closest one was 10 minutes from me.....furthest one was located close to 2 hours away. I eventually bought from the dealer furthest away and saved over $1,200 over the next most competitive price quote. Most dealers will always tend to negotiate in some way unless they are driven by other business goals other than to make a sale and to satisfy a potential customer.

I'd also go to the JD configurator at JD's website to price out the tractor package you're interested in. This willl give you a benchmark in terms of MSRP from which you can then comparison shop and negotiate down. Most dealers will come down 12-20% off MSRP with a good dealer giving you over 20% off MSRP. /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

....Bob

 

[jyoutz]

That's the same unit I have. You will spend about $14.5 - 15 K for a new unit (4110). My rule of thumb is to spend no more than 75-80% of the new cost on a late model used unit. 50% on an older or well-used unit. The asking pice is a little less than 80%, so if it fits the perfect condition category, then it's a fair price. Otherwise, I'd keep looking.

 

[cowboydoc]

That's not too bad of a price. If it was $10,900 it would be a great price. I'd try and buy it for $10.900 on a cash deal. If nothing else they may meet you in the middle which is still a good deal.

 

[bigpete]

This deal doesn't sound too bad, especially since it's the "first blush" price from the seller. Don't be afraid to throw a number back at him. He's motivated to sell for some reason, even though he probably hasn't, and won't, bring it up.

Of course none of us have seen the tractor, so it's simple for us. As was mentioned about the 2210 price, the dealer is a ways off there and you could get a better quote and let him know what his competition is up to.

One last opinion: IMHO, 335 hours doesn't seem extraordinarily high for a 3-year-old tractor. In fact, that sounds about right for general work on a good sized estate.

 

[ponygirl]

Hi Rancar- I got another price on the 2210 with the same configuration as before for 12800. Now the real question is whether or not I can do what I need to do with the 2210. In fact, I'm not sure what the real difference in the 2210 and the 4100 is as it looks to me that they are similiar in specs. I have 7 acres that I'll need to mostly mow, move some dirt around- lot of it at the moment, and maintain my 800 foot driveway. My land is flat (good old florida) and wet in some areas. The dealer said I could do what I want with either machine but I don't want to buy and have to upgrade later on. The FEL work would be initially moving dirt but then it would transition to moving horse manure. Any thoughts?

 

[rancar]

Hi ponygirl...

Let me offer a few comments and then one or two followup questions.

First, the 2210 and 4100 likely could perform the chores that you've delineated. My preference is to always go for the bigger, higher HP tractor if your budget permits. I say this because you never know what chores and jobs you may tackle down the road. Your dealer is correct. You want a tractor that meets your needs now and in the immediate future. One mistake some of us make is buying small to try to save money, realizing later that the tractor is too small and then finding the need to upgrade. I've been a member of the TBN community for over a year now, have read countless threads, and the conclusion I've reached is this: Buy a tractor that's within your budget but also seriously explore how you can increase that budget to buy the next bigger tractor. This isn't a contradiction. I've experienced instances, and I think other TBNers have cited likewise, when I had jobs to do when I wish I had that higher HP tractor or the tractor that had just that extra oomph of torque.

If you're thinking of moving dirt and then manure, here again, think higher HP and a FEL that has greater lifting capacity. Also, think of installing a toothbar on the FEL to assist in digging at those dirt and manure piles. This is not like moving the light snow us northerners have. Also, I would go with a tractor with the R-1 bar tires, second choice would be industrial tread, and definitely not the turf tires. You live in Florida where you get plenty of rain....and mud. Those R-1s will serve you better than the other types when you're mowing those soggy fields and digging around in the dirt piles.

Now for the questions.....

I don't recall...but, do you have an upper limit that you want to spend? Are you flexible here? If so, think on the 4x10 series tractor. I believe these are 'made a bit tougher' and while I don't have the specs in front of me, I think you have higher engine and PTO HP as well as higher engine torque. If you go to John Deere's website, you should be able to find all the specs on both the 2210 and the 4100 (now 4115 I think). If not at JD's website, a good dealer should be able to provide this information. Also, if you haven't done so already, review the numerous threads on the 2210 and 4100 tractors in this JD buying/pricing forum. It'll take some time reading through all the threads and posts, but there's a lot of good experiential information others have posted that you can get some gleaning from and help in the decision you need to make. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Best of luck to you in your shopping...let us know how you make out.

.....Bob