4020 Series Specs

rockyridgefarm · Jun 14, 2004

Wanted woman with good tractor and impliments. Send picture of tractor...

( They have to be the butt-ugliest CUTs going!!! )

thats a bit of a stretch, what with some of the JinmasTerraPlanesBugEyedBoomers and whatnot...

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Woodbeef · Jun 16, 2004

Nope not at all!! The Mothership has taken a very decent looking CUT line and turned it into the ugly-duckling of the industry!! Maybe if it was in a different color it might not be so ugly......but in Deere green it sure be!!

rockyridgefarm · Jun 16, 2004

Well, maybe when spring thaw hits up there, you'll warm up to them...

I, personally, don't think they are a huge change in looks. I think the incremental changes in hood operation, lighting and visibility are all better.

Hey, woodbeef, why don't you post a pic of what a really good looking tractor is, for us uneducated brutes?

rockyridgefarm · Jun 16, 2004

Oh, and don't take me too seriously. I really like my Deere and the service I get from them. I kinda get the drift that you aren't a Deere fan, which is perfectly fine.

I often hate new designs only to warm up to them, later, and even really like them.

Have fun...

beenthere · Jun 16, 2004

If you notice, the Deere line has been going through a general change in all its lines, large on down to small. I liked some of the older designs, and it took (and will take) a while to 'accept' the new changes. But its just cosmetics. Like women, they compete against each other for that 'outer' look and appearance. There likely were a lot of Deere decision-makers involved in this change, and likely these designs fit into a long-term plan for the future.
(And because I have a Deere, I won't comment on the other colored tractors and their designs - /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif because I don't care. )

timb · Jun 16, 2004

IF it were just cosmetics I suppose you could get used to it (but I doubt whether I'll ever like the look of latest Boomers) but IMO Deere has also dropped a MAJOR (but possibly subtle) feature each time they've updated the 4000's now. I can only guess that they know their market and can quote sales figures to fully back up their decisions, but IMO each time they've gone to a new line they've made the tractor slightly less adaptable, useful to certain situations, or possibly durable (electronics).

Example - It looks like (until the dealer proves me wrong) you can no longer get draft control on any Deere smaller than a 5105. That may not effect very many potential owners but to the handful that wanted/need that - where to go? Likewise if I recall wasn't there a creeper option available on gear 4000's that went away with the 4000 Ten's?

As I worried early on when the 4000 Twenty announcement was made - 'new and improved' is in the eye of the beholder and as Murphy would have it I guess I stand outside of their demographic standard.

Tim

rockyridgefarm · Jun 16, 2004

( or possibly durable (electronics).
)

I won't argue much of what you are saying, but i refuse to give up the electronics! I actually think they improve reliability, performance and ergonomics far more than any problems that they create. JMHO

Woodbeef · Jun 16, 2004

Nothing really against Deere,they do make some decent tractors. But I also do not think the sun rises and sets on them either. If you dig back in the posts from last year you'll see that I was actually quite impressed with the 4610 my neighbor bought. I'd buy a Deere 5620 also if they sold them here.

Gotta ask one thing though? Why do you always make so many new posts so close together? Why not just edit the first one and add to it?

In CUTs I do like the look of the yellow and orange Iseki tractors,the Zetor/Century,Kiotis,Mahindras,LGs,and the 4000/10 JDs.

rockyridgefarm · Jun 16, 2004

( Gotta ask one thing though? Why do you always make so many new posts so close together? Why not just edit the first one and add to it? )

Usually I do that for clarity, but not saying I EVER do the right thing....

Don't worry, I am not losing any sleep as to what others feel.

Have fun!

Woodbeef · Jun 16, 2004

Seems to me it would take up less server space around here not making a new post everytime you reply to yourself. Especially since we use this place for free. So why add to the load so much? Unless of course you are a stats chaser.

Nope,can't say I was worried about you loosing any sleep......

cowboydoc · Jun 16, 2004

Post however you want Mike. There sure are alot of other posts that are much less worthwhile than you editing something. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

green4710 · Jun 18, 2004

After running my 4710, I'd like to see on the new 4x20 series, a light on the dash that shows the mfwd engaged, also a brighter light for the pto engage, you can hardly see it when the suns out. I think a big thing they missed is moving the fuel tank to the rear. FNH has those in the rear, and that would be really really nice. As far as a different parking brake, I'm all for that. The 4x10 knob is a pain to get to sometimes. ( )

timb · Jun 28, 2004

Minor update - the Deere site has been updated again - looks like the 4x20 options are back and are settling down. Some of the options prices may have dropped back a little - seems like there were a couple of price increases for a few weeks when these were first posted. Now they seem to be pretty much what they were on the 4000 Tens. I might have seen that wrong before.

I hadn't paid too much attention to all the e-options that were available before for the old hydro versions so I can't say if anything changed there - but outside of that area it appears that all of the options that were available on the 4510-4710 are back except for draft control and the altenator upgrade, and the tire choices are a little more limited.

Unfortunately - no draft control so if this is the final list - then no Twenty series for me. /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif

rockyridgefarm · Jun 28, 2004

Well, I called Deere, never did that before. The Friendly rep got with an engineer, and...

Sorry, bud, "That is the one thing that was dropped in this model line. It was not engineered into it." No draft control.

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JayC · Jun 29, 2004

Ok, I guess I'm still in line to learn new things. What is the difference between draft control and position control? I've seen this many times before and never got around to asking.

timb · Jun 29, 2004

3 pt hitches these days are controlled in one of three fashions -

The simplest uses just a 'regular' hydraulic control valve and you move the valve one direction to move the hitch up - and the other to move it down, much like a loader. Some of the SCUTs or smallest CUTs use this approach.

Position Control is more sophisticated - basically - the 'normal' hydraulic control is buried inside the rockshaft system and connected to both your control lever and the hitch. Your control lever is set to a given position and the 3-point raises or lowers to meet that position. This is usually an 'active' arrangement - if there is any leakdown that lets the hitch lower - it should automatically cause the hydraulic fluid to flow and keep the hitch in one place. Position control keeps the hitch steady relative to the tractor and is needed for many rear implements - including rotary cutters, rakes, etc.,.

As far as I know, Draft Control actually predates position control on 3-pt hitches and is similar in that it is an 'active' system - but has an important difference. Instead of setting an absolute position relative to the tractor as with position control - you effectively set a draft load. That load should correspond nominally to a certain depth setting for a plow or cultivator. If the draft load lessens or grows - the hitch will move to try to get back to the same draft loading (not necessarily the same position relative to the tractor). The idea is that the implement will keep a steady pull (hopefully a steady depth) even if the tractor is running over slightly uneven terrain or the plow encounters an obstruction. Draft control is critical if you are going to do any significant plow/cultivation work.

While most current actual ag utility tractors (NH TNs, JD 5000's etc.,) include draft control standard, very few CUTs offer draft control (generally just the largest CUTs). FNH has it standard on the TC48/55 models. Deere used to offer it as an option to the 4510-4710 but appears to have dropped in with the 4000 Twenty series.

rockyridgefarm · Jun 29, 2004

And the $50 question is "Why?"

Did it not work effectively?

Was it almost never ordered?

Are they pushing you up to the 5xxx?

Does the CNH version really work?

Is there a workaround?

bte, great description, tim!

cowboydoc · Jun 29, 2004

I think that Deere may have underestimated the CUT market. On the bigger tractors you don't see much draft control either. On alot of tractors it's an option. Most farms now use chisel plows. Very little actual plowing goes on anymore. I don't know anyone that uses a plow anymore for farming. Besides plowing you really don't need draft control.

I don't think that Deere realizes how many CUT people actually use a one or two bottom plow.

timb · Jun 29, 2004

ALL current Deere 5000's (5x03, 5x05,and 5x20), 6000's (6x03, 6x15, and 6x20), 7000's (small and large chassis), 8000s and 9000's have position and draft control standard. (How draft control is implemented varies a bit as you get bigger and fancier).

New Holland (/Case) includes it standard in the TC48/55 (DX48/55) on up through all the TN's etc., but I don't think it is available smaller than the TC48.

Kubota offers it as an option on the L4300 , all the "Grand L's" (L3130-L5030), and all of the "M's".

AGCO/M-F has draft control optional on the 1428-1440 and standard on the 1445 and 1455 CUTs, and all the 400's.

Around here with small farms and even smaller fields, traditional plows are still used plenty.

At least for a small percentage of potential buyers, IMO Deere has dropped the ball in a major way. Unless my dealer pulls a 4610 or 4710 out of the hat - it's off to Case/NH I go. I don't need a 3500 lb lawn mower. /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif

JayC · Jun 29, 2004

Thanks for the explanation! /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif The draft control kind of confused me, though. It sounds like position control, but does it have some sort of down pressure to keep implements in the ground? Does position control have any sort of down pressure?