4015R dpf dash light

[dancath]

I plan on owning it til the wheels fall of.Plus you cannot tell by looking at what I have done.

Dan

 

[skeeter102]

I called and spoke with the dealer. They said it sounds like the filter is plugged and want the tractor brought in. I plan on dropping it off next week.

I'll let y'all know what they find.

 

[meanstreak]

There is no "cleaning cycle". There is no regen, either manual or otherwise. The exhaust filter relies on exhaust heat to work. The incoming exhaust has to get over a certain temperature (I believe it's 1100 deg F) before the soot that has been trapped by the filter starts to burn or "cook" off. The only way to get the exhaust temp that hot, and keep it that hot is to load the engine while at 2000-2500 rpms. Just free-revving the engine at that speed may not get it hot enough. Needs to have a load on it at that engine speed.

The light on the dash is driven by a "data logger", which is a small box, about the size of a couple packs of cigarettes, with a small wiring harness plugged into it. On my tractor, it sits on the battery hold down bracket. The data logger's ONLY job, is to sit there and look at the incoming and outgoing exhaust pressure going into and out of the exhaust filter. That data logger is comparing the "back pressure" of those 2 sensors. If it sees that there is too much pressure on the incoming side of the filter, compared to what is exiting the filter, then it starts lighting the light on the dash, to tell the operator that the filter is getting plugged. The data logger has no other purpose, and has no engine or emissions controls of any kind.

OP to fix your current issue,

Option 1,

Run the BEEE-JEEESUS out of your tractor. I mean HARD. If you have a pto driven implement you can hook up, like a tiller or a brush hog, and go do some hard work with it. OR, put that tractor in high gear, take it out on a safe road, and run the snot out of it. Like for a couple miles at least, full wide open throttle in high gear to load that engine.

Option 2,

Replace your exhaust filter. Either yourself, or have your dealer do it. If it's still under warranty, and your filter is actually fully plugged, then it's a free replacement under warranty. Maybe they'll send it to you, and you can replace it yourself. Talk to your dealer.

Option 3,

Eliminate your exhaust filter entirely. Treat it like a plugged muffler and just take it off. Take the entire filter unit to a competent exhaust shop and have them make you a bolt in replacement muffler, using your plugged filter as a template. When you install the replacement, just disconnect and remove the data logger and wires. The engine will have no idea that the filter is no longer there.

If mine becomes an issue on my tractor, I'm planning on going with Option 3.

Sounds like option three is the way to go once the warranty runs out, maybe there will be something on you tube on that.

 

[Slowpoke Slim]

There are a couple of threads (at least one) on here from guys that have done it, and the results have been as predicted. The tractor runs like a non-filtered diesel tractor should run.

I'm sure I'll end up doing it to mine. The only question really is "when".

 

[Hombre]

The remarks about the warranty covering the "soot cooker" is not an option. Not covered. The dealer I purchased my Branson from did say that they (Branson) would "exchange" them to the tune of around 300 dollars. That didn't sound to bad to me when he told me that these were "supposed" to be good up to around 2000 hrs. well for me that would be about 10 years of running so didn't figure that to be an issue. HOWEVER, mine started going T's up at around 60-70hrs because I don't run my tractor around at 2500 rpms all the time, in fact rarely, and no idling of any length of time is tolerated, so when you change implements, get off the tractor to do (something) for a couple minutes, (as I tend to do) you'd have to shut it down and restart. For me that could be 20 times a day. Not acceptable. Whereas I do like this system better than using DEF with all the electronics that go with it, it became a PITA. My dealer told me to take it apart, drill some 1/2 inch holes through the insides (he did this to his personal tractor) and call it good. He also told me we never had that conversation. I took it a step further and after drilling the holes in the "element" I took a long cold chisel and knocked the complete insides out, reassembled the "can" put it back on and hooked the electrical wire and plug back on, problem solved. Been working just fine since, light comes on flashing when I start it up, get a little smoke, then the light goes out and I can operate the tractor like a tractor should be operated. Most of my running time (unless heavy load or PTO is done at 1500 to 2000 rpms.) Burns alot less fuel also. But you use your best judgement as to what you want to do.

 

[ptsg]

Removing the DPF filter will probably make the engine run better and smoother since it's not restricted with all that DPF crap.

To be honest, I really don't understand the point of the DPF systems. It's suppose to deal with the emissions, but all it does it making us running the engines with high RPMs, burning a lot more fuel and consequently produce more emissions. It just doesn't make sense at all.. Specially on tractors this size that are mostly used by people do light work with it and don't really need high RPMs.

 

[skeeter102]

I haven't taken it to the dealer yet, sorting out trailer issues. But, I did run it down the road in high gear and then let it run at 2500 rpm for 20 minutes. Dpf light went out, but came back on when I got back on it.

The next day I ran it down the road again and then let it run for 20 minutes. Light went out and hasn't come back on. I'm going to run it one more time and see what happens. Maybe it finally cleared the dpf out? IDK, we'll see. All this emissions crap sucks.

 

[ericm979]

The tractor will run with the data logger unplugged. Mine was accidentally delivered that way. It didn't light the DPF light on the dash. If you've drilled out or removed the DPF internals and find the light annoying that might be a way to get rid of it. It it louder with the DPF internals removed?

I idle mine while changing implements so I can operate the top and tilt cylinders (but I do turn it off when hooking up the PTO for safety). I let it idle at other times though I try to not do it for long. So far at 100 hours there's no problem. It does get run pretty hard when using the chipper as I chip everything that will fit. I generally operate it at 2000 rpm if I'm not using the PTO, 2400 when I am.

 

[Oldoak]

Removing the DPF filter will probably make the engine run better and smoother since it's not restricted with all that DPF crap.

To be honest, I really don't understand the point of the DPF systems. It's suppose to deal with the emissions, but all it does it making us running the engines with high RPMs, burning a lot more fuel and consequently produce more emissions. It just doesn't make sense at all.. Specially on tractors this size that are mostly used by people do light work with it and don't really need high RPMs.

I with you on that thought! And add to it the extra emissions while producing and transporting the extra fuel we are forced to burn due to the DPF systems.

 

[Slowpoke Slim]

Unfortunately, the EPA "decided" we had to have this crap to save the whales/spotted owls/some kind of blind frogs/and who knows what else.

Hombre,

I'm surprised your dealer said your cooker wasn't covered under warranty. Was it a used tractor when you bought it? It's my understanding that the cooker is covered under warranty when new, and my dealer has said it was. We discussed my "options" on mine when my light came on. From learning the how and what the cooker does and the level of emissions on my model, I just decided that for me, if it becomes a problem, I'm going to take it off completely.

I do like to have the ability to run my tractor at lower speeds to burn less fuel when I can, and also do let it idle when I'm doing certain work off of the tractor. I don't fault the tractor or the engine, but lay the blame on the Gooberment and the EPA for mandating this garbage. I'm just thankful that at least in our Bransons, it's a bolt on piece that can easily be removed with no other side effects to the running of the engine. At least we don't have to try to figure out how to get into the computer programming or buy some sketchy "delete kit" off the internet.

 

[Ron50]

The "Greenies" have it figured out that if the 4.4% of the the world's population in the US change what they are doing it is going to save the planet. Check out pollution in China and India where ALOT of people live.

 

[Hombre]

Hombre,

I'm surprised your dealer said your cooker wasn't covered under warranty. Was it a used tractor when you bought it? It's my understanding that the cooker is covered under warranty when new, and my dealer has said it was. We discussed my "options" on mine when my light came on. From learning the how and what the cooker does and the level of emissions on my model, I just decided that for me, if it becomes a problem, I'm going to take it off completely.

I do like to have the ability to run my tractor at lower speeds to burn less fuel when I can, and also do let it idle when I'm doing certain work off of the tractor. I don't fault the tractor or the engine, but lay the blame on the Gooberment and the EPA for mandating this garbage. I'm just thankful that at least in our Bransons, it's a bolt on piece that can easily be removed with no other side effects to the running of the engine. At least we don't have to try to figure out how to get into the computer programming or buy some sketchy "delete kit" off the internet.

I bought the tractor new in 2017. It's (more) than possible I misunderstood what he said about the warranty covering the soot cooker but it really didn't matter when the "problems" started showing up. I just did what he suggested (sort of) and removed the insides. I also didn't/don't notice any more noise while running, could be because I did replace the outside parts back. Makes it like a big straight thru muffler to my mind. The tractor will give some smoke when first starting up and on occasion when I've been poking around and then get into it hard when under load but nothing to talk about. Less than my Cummins diesel PU for sure. I have no fault with the tractor either, and am glad I was able to delete this without dealing with a computer also. Sounds to me like you and I run our machines about the same way but I do let mine idle quite a bit at times, depending on the task at hand of course, but I'm not adverse to let it idle for 15 to 20 minutes at a time for sure. Probably what got into "trouble" in the first place. Now I can run it the way I want to.

 

[Cougsfan]

The "Greenies" have it figured out that if the 4.4% of the the world's population in the US change what they are doing it is going to save the planet. Check out pollution in China and India where ALOT of people live.

To quote the WorldWatch Institute "The United States, with less than 5% of the global population, uses about a quarter of the world's fossil fuel resources - Burning up nearly 25% of the coal, 26% of the oil, and 27% of the world's natural gas." We are not a minor player as Ron might try to lead you to believe. Per capita, the US leads the world in pollution by far. And if one thinks that China (in recent history the world's worst polluter in terms of tons of pollutants emitted) isn't being active, if not more active than us, at reducing pollution; they really have their head in the sand as to what is really happening in the world. I don't consider myself a "greenie". But it really irks me when I see people totally misrepresent the truth in a forum to rationalize a lopsided point of view.

That said, putting a DPF on a small horsepower diesel to reduce heavy particulate pollution in a rural setting is not going to have any appreciable effect on solving the world's pollution problem. It is more of a "feel good" solution than a real one. The "greenies" are pretty good at rationalizing stupid things too.

 

[Mr Bitz]

Won't be long until the EPA tries to put some sort of emissions control on our volcanoes. Which by the way causes 75% of pollution in the world. So I've heard. Who's going to pay for that.

 

[Cougsfan]

One of the challenges we have is that "pollution" is all lumped together in one word. The types of pollutions and the specific problems they create are really quite varied. CO2 is our biggest real threat and is caused by burning hydrocarbons, period. We all talk about it a lot, many don't take it seriously, and no one really has came up with an answer that people are willing to commit to and we probably won't until we have really gotten ourselves in deep trouble. NOx, particulates, O3, etc. are some of the other pollutants that indeed are a serious problems at specific locations (like Los Angeles), but not a problem at all other locations (Nevada). These other "pollutants" are easier to address by regulation, so that it what the greenies, many of whom live in LA, go after to "help" those who live in Nevada, and to fool us all into thinking they are really doing some serious good.

This "going after what sounds good" thinking is what killed the VW diesel (assisted greatly by VW's dishonesty), when a VW diesel technology actually helps appreciably to address the bigger problem of CO2 emissions. The automobile diesel is widely accepted as a pollution (CO2) reduction device in Europe, while it is viewed as a horrible, dirty, smog queen here in the US.

I think DFP's on volcanoes is an excellent :confused2: idea. Just think of all the jobs it would create Might even be smarter than a Border Wall

 

[LouNY]

I know that if my tractor had a DPF it would have to be "modified" so much of my work is done at part throttle, brush hogging and pasture fence line trimming I shift the PTO up to the economy setting and throttle down, I'll rake or ted at part throttle. Today moving snow on thawed ground was 1200-1400 rpm and 1-3 mph I'd have a hard twisting the trottle up on most of my work. I run gears up or down as needed and unless I'm running down the road in high or just traveling up the driveway I seldom use full throttle.

 

[Hombre]

There is no "law" against removal as I understand the regs. The tractor(s) has to have "whatever" devices to meet EPA standards to be SOLD in the USA by "the dealer". That's it. You can remove it, you can sell the tractor without the device(s) and no one will be fined or go to jail. Now, if I'm wrong one of the dealers on this forum can correct me, but that's the way I understand the situation as the tractors are OFF-ROAD vehicles. That's why we can burn "off road" diesel in them and not pay the road tax that's placed on, well, on road diesel...:confused2: