4010 vs 4100

HD4010 · Oct 11, 2006

Hi,

I currently own a 4010 with around 190 hrs on it. I use it to cut grass, till my garden (48inch tiller), plow snow and light loader work. So far it has done everything I have ever asked and the only time I've wanted for more power is when I'm running a PTO trac vac and 54 inch mower in the fall with and pulling up hill. My only real complaint is with the lack of position control on the 3point.

I've recently noticed that a local Deere dealer has a used 4100 hydro for sale with 136hrs on it. It has turfs, 5 front weights, and drive shaft for front blower but no other attachments. I can get it for $8250. If I were buy it I would gain 3 shaft HP (at 2650rpm vs 3100), which would probably come in handy when running the mower and trac vac, get 50% more hydraulic flow (3.4 vs 5.1) with approx 30% more pressure, and position control on the 3pt.

Granted I could probably live without this but I have it in my mind that that the 4100 a superior machine and if I can buy this one and then sell my 4010 for near the same price then why wouldn't I do it?

So I have 2 questions. Is there any reason that I would not want to go to the 4100, and what would be a fair price to ask for my 4010 with 190 -200 hrs on it (turf tires and not attachments)?

Thanks in advance,
HD

HD4010 · Nov 17, 2006

Well I didn't get any replies but in the mean time I went ahead and picked up a 4100 hydro with 200 hours on it. Got it home and after playing around with it some here are my initial thoughts / impressions:

1. Seat is higher, not only because of the bigger tires but also in relation to the floor and steering wheel. So just has a differnt feel. I think I like the 4010 feel better but that may be just because I'm used to it.

2. The engine on the 4010 is on rubber mounts like on a car vs on the 4100 it's bolted to the frame. The result is more vibration throught the tractor and a few rattles. The 4010 feels more "refined" and I like it. The 4100 feels like a big brute and I kind like that too though.

3. The lever to engage the 4x4 is positioned different on the 4100 and is actually better in my opinion. On the 4010 I have to reach down to engage it by hand but on the 4100 I can just depress it with my foot.

4. The 4010 had differential steering and the pedals can be locked together. To engage the parking brake you just setp on the pedals with your left foot and pull out the lever to set the brake. The 4100 has differential braking but you can't lock the pedals together. Instead there is a "master" brake pedal on the right side above the "hydro" pedals. To brake both sides together you need to press the master or try to hit both of the other pedals with your foot at the same time. Also to engage the parking brake you need to step on the master and then set the brake. I'm used to my 4010 and keep mixing it up.

5. Problem. The 4100 is "tippy". I was trying it out with a 3pt tiller and was turning around on a very small incline and it felt funny. Later after removing the tiller I grabbed both handles on the fenders and rocked back and forth and was easily able to to get a back tire off the ground! I'm not a big guy, just 170 pounds. Does this sound normal (it's not a 4100 narrow). I can't even come close to doing that on the 4010. I notice the profile of the tires a much more "sqared off" on the 4010 and rounded on the 4100. Also the tires on the 4100 are much higher off the rim, maybe a 4 inch difference.

I've considered loading the tires to help I have some areas the I cut that are a little soft and I really don't want too much extra weight (I usually use a heavy box blade if I'm doing any heavy work with the loader).

Comments on the "tippy problem anyone? (both have turfs).

thanks,
HD

joes_427_vette · Nov 17, 2006

I had a similar situation. Went to the deere dealer to buy a 6' brush hog and was directed to a 4010 with a 54" mower that was just traded in. ( I got the old " I'll give you a great deal on this one " speech. My 455 had 2k for hours so I was interested to check it out. After checking the tractor out I liked alot of the features. I received a fact sheet on the 4010, 4110, and the 4115. After viewing the specs I favored the 4110 with the higher hydraulic capacity, larger fuel tank, larger tires, and more horse power. It is the old bait and switch... wound up with the showroom model for more money ( naturally ). I can't complain, I love the tractor for mowing and it has a 5' western hydroturn snow plow. Eventually a 200 cx loader will be located however I just took delivery on a New Holland TC 55 DA with a loader that will be doing the heavy projects. The four wheel drive system makes it a great little unit.

RalphVa · Nov 18, 2006

One other difference is the under seat switch to allow running the rear PTO with the seat up works on the 4110. It doesn't on the 4010.

Ralph

Ledgemere Farm · Nov 21, 2006

I have a 4110, which doesn't seem tippy at all. I am very satisfied with it, other than blowing three quick couplers this year...

Nuru · Nov 21, 2006

HD4010 said:
Well I didn't get any replies but in the mean time I went ahead and picked up a 4100 hydro with 200 hours on it. Got it home and after playing around with it some here are my initial thoughts / impressions:

1. Seat is higher, not only because of the bigger tires but also in relation to the floor and steering wheel. So just has a differnt feel. I think I like the 4010 feel better but that may be just because I'm used to it.

2. The engine on the 4010 is on rubber mounts like on a car vs on the 4100 it's bolted to the frame. The result is more vibration throught the tractor and a few rattles. The 4010 feels more "refined" and I like it. The 4100 feels like a big brute and I kind like that too though.

3. The lever to engage the 4x4 is positioned different on the 4100 and is actually better in my opinion. On the 4010 I have to reach down to engage it by hand but on the 4100 I can just depress it with my foot.

4. The 4010 had differential steering and the pedals can be locked together. To engage the parking brake you just setp on the pedals with your left foot and pull out the lever to set the brake. The 4100 has differential braking but you can't lock the pedals together. Instead there is a "master" brake pedal on the right side above the "hydro" pedals. To brake both sides together you need to press the master or try to hit both of the other pedals with your foot at the same time. Also to engage the parking brake you need to step on the master and then set the brake. I'm used to my 4010 and keep mixing it up.

5. Problem. The 4100 is "tippy". I was trying it out with a 3pt tiller and was turning around on a very small incline and it felt funny. Later after removing the tiller I grabbed both handles on the fenders and rocked back and forth and was easily able to to get a back tire off the ground! I'm not a big guy, just 170 pounds. Does this sound normal (it's not a 4100 narrow). I can't even come close to doing that on the 4010. I notice the profile of the tires a much more "sqared off" on the 4010 and rounded on the 4100. Also the tires on the 4100 are much higher off the rim, maybe a 4 inch difference.

I've considered loading the tires to help I have some areas the I cut that are a little soft and I really don't want too much extra weight (I usually use a heavy box blade if I'm doing any heavy work with the loader).

Comments on the "tippy problem anyone? (both have turfs).

thanks,
HD

HD, do you have the rear tires turned so that you get the widest footing? My 4100 was tippy until I did that and now it is very stable.

ducati996 · Nov 21, 2006

Nuru said:
HD, do you have the rear tires turned so that you get the widest footing? My 4100 was tippy until I did that and now it is very stable.

Good call...was thinking the same thing...load the tires as well, and it shouldnt feel tippy any longer...great machines

HD4010 · Nov 21, 2006

Hi again,

Originally the tires were mounted with the valve stems facing outward. This weekend I turned them so the valve stems were inside. Seems like this gave me a couple more inches in width. Also considered that the 5 suitcase weights hanging on the front could be making a difference... I can still push on the roll bar and get one rear tire off the ground easier than I expect. I can't do this with my 4010.

The profile of the tires on the 4010 is different. You can lay a ruler across the tire and it will touch both sides... the profile is flat vs the 4100 is rounded, if that makes sense. Seems to let the tractor "roll" or rock whereas the tires on the 4010 are firm and square. I'm going to switch rears for kicks just to see if this is it (will be sure to keep in 2wd!).

I've considered loading them but if I do I'll keep the weight low. Maybe 100 pounds per tire. I have some areas around a creek that I cut that can get a little soft and I'd like to keep the weight down for that.

I know loading would be much better for loader work or especially when using forks. If I'm working with anything heavy I have a heavy box blade that works well.

Thanks,
HD

Nuru · Nov 23, 2006

HD4010 said:
Hi again,

Originally the tires were mounted with the valve stems facing outward. This weekend I turned them so the valve stems were inside. Seems like this gave me a couple more inches in width. Also considered that the 5 suitcase weights hanging on the front could be making a difference... I can still push on the roll bar and get one rear tire off the ground easier than I expect. I can't do this with my 4010.

The profile of the tires on the 4010 is different. You can lay a ruler across the tire and it will touch both sides... the profile is flat vs the 4100 is rounded, if that makes sense. Seems to let the tractor "roll" or rock whereas the tires on the 4010 are firm and square. I'm going to switch rears for kicks just to see if this is it (will be sure to keep in 2wd!).

I've considered loading them but if I do I'll keep the weight low. Maybe 100 pounds per tire. I have some areas around a creek that I cut that can get a little soft and I'd like to keep the weight down for that.

I know loading would be much better for loader work or especially when using forks. If I'm working with anything heavy I have a heavy box blade that works well.

Thanks,
HD

I loaded my tires due to my new property's slopes and that made it much more comfortable to drive on or through the sloped areas.

Nuru · Nov 23, 2006

ducati996 said:
Good call...was thinking the same thing...load the tires as well, and it shouldnt feel tippy any longer...great machines

i think a lot can be said about the type of rear tires. The 4010's lower profile is probably a JD response to some owners indicating that the unit rides a little high.