32LC Loader self level or not ?

[mnfarmr]

I closed the deal on Saturday for a new TN75A tractor. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif The tractor is on the lot, but the loader is not. My dealer is going to try to find a loader at another dealer to speed up delivery. He said it could take 6-8 weeks to order one from new holland. I told him non self leveling was my first choice but I would consider MSL to get it quicker if that is what he finds. I can see advantages to both, but have concerns that the MSL will limit visibility and it adds $550 to the price. The majority of my loader work will be with pallet forks. The balance will be dirt work. I have never used a joystick on a loader before, but I assume I could keep the bucket level by applying both functions with the stick, as long as the tractor has enough oil flow to do it. I would appreciate your help making this decision.
Thanks Jay

 

[hazmat]

If it were available, I would definitely get self leveling, especially if you want to use the forks. My little machine doesn't level, you have to be very aware of the bucket postion to not spill the contents.

Too bad your dealer doesn't have one in stock to "try before you buy".

 

[Robert_in_NY]

The TN has plenty of power so you can run both remotes at once. So you can level the bucket as you raise. The self leveling feature is ok but is not needed and to be honest I don't think it is worth the extra cost as long as you are competent at working a loader (joystick loaders are so simple to run you will love them). But each person has their own thoughts on the subject. Get what you can but if you have a choice pocket the $500 and get the regular loader.

 

[MODiesel]

I've been trying to get some decent feedback on the 'LC' loaders. When you compare the 'LA' loaders, the model 32 MSL had better digging depth, better angles, and WAY superior breakout forces vs. the standard version. I haven't had time to visit with the dealer, but I thought the 'LC' MSL version lost a lot of those advantages. Granted, by design, you'll always retain the better angles and the ability to self-level the bucket/forks, but when it came to the older version, the superior specs would have always out-weighed the slightly worses visibility. If the new model lost that, it would be a tougher decision for me.

Regards,
Jay

 

[mnfarmr]

I also noticed the 32 LA MSL has better specs than the 32 LA non MSL, but I can not find the specs on a 32 LC MSL to compare it. I asked for the specs at two dealers but they could not find them in there books. I looked at New Hollands website and could not find them. Here is what I did find.

32 LA non MSL
lift capacity @ 31.5 in. 2304 lbs.
breakout @ 31.5 in. 3990 lbs.

32 LA MSL
lift capacity @ 31.5 in. 3135 lbs.
breakout @ 31.5 in. 5050 lbs.

32 LC non MSL
lift capacity @ 31.5 in. 2600 lbs.
breakout @ 31.5 in. 3900 lbs.

The non MSL have slightly higher specs at the pins but the MSL specs are way higher at 31.5 in. I don't know if the 32 LC MSL will have the same advantage or not. If anyone knows the specs for a 32 LC MSL please post them. They may be listed in a 32 LC owners manual. Thanks

Jay

 

[Robert_in_NY]

If you have not used the 32la or lc loader before you will find that it has more power then you can imagine. It will easily pick the back of a weighted TN up before you can blink and so far all the higher standards listed on the MSL loader are extreme overkill for this size machine. I can see them being better if you were putting it on the TL-A but for the TN-A you will not be able to see any advantage because of the limits of the tractor. So limits aside, it still comes down to if you want to spend the extra money so you don't have to level the forks/bucket yourself. But the specs do not mean anything on this size machine when the weaker speced loader is still more then a match for the TN-A.

 

[PineRidge]

I tried to get the self leveling feature on my TC-40D and it wasn't available.

I would have gladly paid the difference since I do a lot of loader work and it would have made my job easier. I'm one of those guys that doesn't fight new ideas or a chance to finish my work with less effort.

Certainly you can use a loader without a self leveler the same as you can use 2 WD instead of 4 WD tractor the choice is yours to make, get my drift. I'm hoping you get the self-leveler, I don't think you'll be sorry that you did.

 

[AndyMA]

I have the MSlL 32 whatever on my TN75d and as Robert has said loader power, speed and ability to do 2 things at once is not an issue on a TN, particularly one with the 16.9 gpm pump. I love the MSL for pallet fork use. It makes it trivial from the ground all the way up to almost 12 feet to keep the pallet very close to level. I am not as crazy about it for bucket work. Even though the specs don't seem to indicate it, I find it doesn't roll back enough during the entire lift cycle. Visibility isn't not an issue for me. I also use the pallet forks on a 2210 with out self leveling and it takes much more work and is much easier to dump a load accidently. This next line comes from the don't try this at home folks. I actually put a pallet on the TN loader forks and use a pole lashed to the loader control and ride it up as a work platform. It is very stable and stays perfectly level.

Andy

 

[Robert_in_NY]

Mike, I don't know if you were refering to me about people who won't accept new ideas but if so that is fine.

I have nothing against the MSL loaders but to me they are a premium that is nice but not needed. The poster originally wanted a regular loader and from the sounds of it is use to using an older loader setup with poor hydraulics so he does not know how easy the new joystick loaders (and great oil flow of the TN) work. I looked at the MSL loaders and did not like the sight lines and as I have said, with the TN all the MSL really does is keep the bucket level. It won't lift anymore then the regular loader because it is still limited by the weight of the tractor and the amount of stress the tires will take. I have over loaded my non-msl 32la and friends 32lc loader so many times it is not funny. It is so easy and you do not realize it so spec wise it is a moot point unless were talking puting the 32 on a TL-A which has more weight. So all this poster would be paying for is the linkage to keep his bucket level and have a worse view in the process. Of course we need peoples thoughts from both sides of issue.

Can you think of any other advantages of the MSL loader other then the self leveling feature (also, I don't have a TC w/ loader but if it is like my 1920's 7308 loader then there is a world of difference between the TN and a TC's hydraulic capacity).

 

[PineRidge]

Bob no, I was not referring to you. My point was merely that self leveling loaders are being manufactured today because there is a need. No different than a hydro versus a gear tractor, what is good for one might not be so good for another. I'm the kind of guy that jumps at new technology instead of away from it. If it can help me do my job, make it easier and more productive, and is not too cost prohibitive than I say, "go for it."

I am sorry that the self leveling feature was not available for my loader however I am quite proficient at using the pallet forks without it.