3054 - dumb question

[Jim_in_Omaha]

/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gifI got to try out my 3054 for the first time today. Around 1 1/2 hours worth.

Every thing seems to be working pretty good. Still have a funky thing with the Buhler loader.

Here's the dumb question: While running idle to 1500 rpm I notice that there is a lot of noise from the PTO area. If I put my hand on the PTO shaft (not engaged of course) I feel alot of slow vibration through it that matches the pinging sound. Its still there with the PTO engaged but reduced. The hyd. fluid level eye glass shows theres fluid in there. What I'm wondering that the manual and service manual are not eluding to is do you fill just the front transmission (between your feet) to fill the entire transmission to the rear axle housing? Also, theres an oil cap on the rear above the top link with a breather tube that the manuals do not talk about. I only know of the one level eye glass on the side between your feet. I guess I'm wondering if I really have the correct amount of fluid in the transmission because of the noise. Perhaps the noise is normal and I just need to get it broke in? Maybe someone with a 3054 could check this out on theirs.

As far as the loader goes it does something really wierd. I dug a big hole and when I would go to curl the bucket down in the air to dump it would slow down, almost stop, then maybe start moving to the full downward position. All other functions of the loader work great. I swapped the lines at the valve assm. and it did the same thing. When the bucket would slow down there was no notice of load on the hyd. system. Once the bucket reached the full down position then I would hear the normal sound of the hyd. system load. It would appear to be something in the cylinders or lines beyond the valve assembly. I could not find any limiters in line.

Thanks again for any info.
Jim

 

[DK35vince]

If you think these are dumb questions I hate to see what you consider hard questions /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif
Because I can't answer these ones.

 

[Jim_in_Omaha]

Brain storm....
Wonder if there is air in the line on those bucket cylinders? And if there is, how do I get it out or can that even happen? Do yo bleed them like brake lines?

thx
Jim

 

[DK35vince]

The air should be self bleeding by simply rolling the bucket up and down. So I doubt that is your problem.

 

[Dirtnut]

/forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif Hi all!! New to the forum but have been lurking for a long time. Hope I can figure out everything I need to do.
I also have LK3054 that I bought a year ago. AWESOME little tractor. I noticed this same noise in the pto area that you are talking about.i asked my dealer about it and he knows that they do it but has never heard of any problems with them.I have 90hrs on mine and the noise either went away or i just got use to it,never had any problems running attachments with it.

 

[lablovers]

I just received my 3054 on Friday and have not noticed any PTO noise. Mine is the XS and it might not be noisy on the newer model. I will listen for it today.
Lablovers

 

[KiotiJohn]

I don't have a 3054, but maybe it's something in the hydraulics that changed with the XS. I know the capacity is larger in the XS, so maybe it's a different pump. John

 

[Dirtnut]

mine is only a year old i bought it new last march or april and i noticed the noise/rattle seems to be amplified when you have an impliment on.it doesnt do it when you push the clutch in or when the pto is in gear.i have 90 hrs on mine and dont notice the noise now,maybe use to it and dont pay attention any more.never gave me any problems whith my 5' brush hog.i do remember other post about this because that was the first thing i listend for when i went to buy this tractor & asked the dealer about it. i do have another noise up in the motor when it gets very cold +15 to -20 wich we had this year it sounds like a fast clicking in fuel pump area. once it warms up it goes away and doesnt do it at all in warmer temps. i added a tank circulater to the cooling system to heat the motor and this took care of everything -20 plug in for one hr dont even need the glow plugs starts right up no smoke,best 40 bucks i ever spent. sorry so long. /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

 

[To20Chris]

Jim,

I listened for the PTO noise on my new LK3054 (not an XS), and I don't THINK I heard it - but I'm not really sure what I'm listening for. Can you give me more info on how loud it is? I'm remembering those ads where people try to explain the noise their car makes to a mechanic! I'll try to listen for it again next time I have it running.

 

[Jim_in_Omaha]

I notice it while idle and up to 1500 rpm. If you touch the end of the pto shaft there should be a pulsation at the same rythm of the noise. I think on mine some of the ringing to the noise is from the shield over the shaft. If I hold onto the cover, it dampens the noise some.

I will probably just run the crud out of it and not worry about the noise. If the fluids are right then it should be ok. It shifts fine and the PTO engages very nice. Probably just me. Have not been on a tractor in years and forgot about all the noises they make.

I did get a slam from the Kubota dealer today. They are the local Woods and Hammond dealer. I was back looking at the blades. He asked what kind of tractor I had. Well, needless to say he was pompus and arogant.

"They must have dumped it. You probably got it for a good price? I would never take one of those in on trade here"

me: "I would never trade it in. I always sell my stuff private."

"Who would want one. From a distance they look just like a Kubota"

"I've found out that Kioti will lose the law suit and have to change their name and color.."

me: Why would they have to change their name?

"Because it sounds like Kubota! They are not made as good as a Kubota. Kubota started the compact four wheel drive tractor market!"

me: Thats nice.

Now that I will not be buying that $500 blade at his shop.

Jim

 

[DK35vince]

Jim,
A dealer like that couldn't sell me a pair of socks if I was barefoot in the snow.

 

[KiotiJohn]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( "Because it sounds like Kubota! They are not made as good as a Kubota. Kubota started the compact four wheel drive tractor market!")</font> Kioti sounds like Kubota? I need to have my ears checked, because I can't hear it that way. This guy will have to eat a lot of his words! Yes, they started the compact tractor market, and Kioti has improved upon it, as have many other manufacturers. Thanks for the post, John
KiotiSpring

 

[virgil]

Kioti sounds like Kubota... Sure it does. Kinda like cow and dog. Cain't you hear it? Say it real slow and listen real good now. The lawyers can hear it, ,,, try it again, I'm sure that you can hear it if you bear down and listen real good......

 

[Dewave]

I named my dog "Kioti" and he comes everytime I call him. So today I tested it and called him "Kubota" Without hesitation he turned around and ran up the street and bit my neighbor... he owns a kubota BX. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

 

[To20Chris]

What a jerk - I would never buy from him either! As far as the suit is concerned, Kubota did not make the first tractor, or the first orange tractor. They also did not invent the modern CUT from whole cloth one day either - that was a long evolution of several manufactures in several countries, driven by different agricultural and economic conditions than were found in the states. Kubota was simply the first of the Japanese tractor manufacturers to market their products in North America under their own name. Iseki, Yanmar, Mitsubishi, and others decided to partner with existing US manufacturer instead. Daedong claims to have made their first tractor 36 years ago, and if you look at what Kubota was making in 1968, I'll bet it was pretty crude, so I would say Daedong has been part of the evolution too.

A look at the grey market tractor websites will show you that all of the Asian CUTs have that boxy monster look, so I hardly think Kubota has any rights to it. In fact, Kioti has moved on to a much sleeker look than you'll find on any Kubota (CK series).

Actually, if you put a set of R4s on a MF 231S and look at its specs, you'll find that it compares pretty well with the larger 2WD CUTs produced recently, and that is a direct decedent of an old MF35, and my TO20. The darn thing has been in production almost 55yrs! At the time the Japanese manufacturers started making tractors I'm sure they were looking at units like the MF35, but probably needed something a bit smaller and cheaper, while at the same time the US brands were moving to bigger and more expensive units. Now their products have moved up into this size range.

As far as the color orange, I seem to remember another company that sold orange tractors.....Why didn't Kubota pick purple or pink when they started bringing tractors into NA? Kubota suing Daedong for using the color orange is as silly as if they sued them for using the 3PH that they & everyone else swiped from Ferguson.

Apparently some folks can't separate marketing hype from reality. Things said by corporate marketing guys and lawyers are not required to have any relationship with fact, they are said to make money, and if they happen to be true, that's just a happy coincidence!

Ok, I feel better now!

 

[Jim_in_Omaha]

I got a response back from Buhler on my hydraulic wierdness with the bucket curling down. He said that the bucket curls down faster than the hydraulic flow into the cylinder side which causes a void or as they said air pocket. Then with the bucket stops moving for a moment is when the fluid catches back up and fills the cylinder side. I'm not a hydraulic expert. He mentioned to put the flow restrictor in the rod side to help prevent this. I have the one I took off the lift cylinders that I will try.

As far as the Kubota thing with that dealer goes, its nothing new under the sun. He probably thought that I was just a few bucks. One blade sale lost no big deal. I'll never own a Kubota not because of the tractor but because every time I see one I'll see his face and that poop eating grin as he slammed my tractor and tried to make me look bad in front of another customer.

thx
Jim

 

[KiotiJohn]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Kubota did not make the first tractor, or the first orange tractor. They also did not invent the modern CUT from whole cloth one day either - that was a long evolution of several manufactures in several countries, driven by different agricultural and economic conditions than were found in the states. )</font> I have to agree, Kubota didn't really invent the CUT. The Ford 8N and others were not really what I'd call large utility tractors, they were much more compact. Kubota just made them more popular. The Japanese have a history of taking good form and making it better. They did it with cars, cameras and many other commodities. But with the lawsuit, I think they feel they will cause Kioti to make a few less sales as people will be afraid something will happen to the company. NOT. And you're right, most all the tractors look pretty much the same with the exception of the new Kioti and the NH boomers with their rounded down fronts, which looks pretty smart to me. John

 

[TomK]

I think I'll paint a Denver Bronco helmet on my bucket to match the orange body. /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif Love that blue and orange!