3/4 ton w/6cylinders??

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TomP

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While looking for a tow vehicle, I came across a '95 Chevy 2500 with factory installed 6-cylinder engine, & class 3 reese hitch. Any thoughts on acceptability for towing a 7500 pound trailer 2-3 times per summer@20 miles one-way---no way, right? Anyone use one or seen one used?

Thanks,

Tom
 
/ 3/4 ton w/6cylinders?? #2  
Twenty miles, two or three times a year? I wouldn't hesitate at all, assuming there are no other negative factors. I haven't kept up with recent changes in vehicles, but didn't know Chev. had a 6-cylinder in the 3/4 ton on that late a model. Which engine is it? The 4.3 V-6? And which transmission, differential gear ratio, etc.? As long as you don't overheat the engine or transmission, you won't hurt anything.

Bird
 
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I'd sure check back on the specs for that model/engine combo. My 95 RAM is only a 1/2 with a 3.9 V6, and it was not recommended for towing anything, but hey, It can't read.
While not being a speedy, it will hang in there at 55/60 mph with no problems....provided you put a good cooler on that transmission. Like Bird said, keep a good eye on the temp. I towed a 16 foot car trailer cross country with an L175, FEL, and box blade, plus other crud stowed on the trailer and the P/U bed loaded....it did okay. Towed the tracter from SOCAL to SO-ORE a few times also.
 
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No problem. You are not going to go fast, but it will pull it. A modern 6cyl has more HP then the v8's of the pre60's and they towed.



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The suspension and brakes should be pretty much the same as a 3/4 ton model with a bigger engine.

If the axle ratio were a 4:10 or 4:11 or so, then you should have no problem towing, but you probably wouldn't want to get on the interstate highways or other roadways where traffic is moving along a 60+ mph.

If the axle ratio is around 3:55 or lower (for fuel economy) then you might very well have a problem with acceleration while towing.

If you get serious about purchasing the truck, I'd make a test "pull" of the loaded trailer part of your required items to analyze during the test drive phase of the purchase.

Kelvin
 
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My 6500lb boat is a hard pull on my 1/2 ton chevy with a small block v8. I am supprised you can find a 2500 with a 6cyl in it? Was the orginal motor replaced? As for towing a couple times, that should be ok assuming your on flatland. If your talking about a hilly area might be better just to hire a wrecker to tow it. the 20 miles.

Gary.
 
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It used to be very common to have a six cylinder in pickups. Ford had their inline six which was a decent towing pickup. Chevy had the six cylinder for a number of years. One buddy I had in my college days had a Ford with the inline six and we pulled a bumper three horse trailer with three horses and all our gear to rodeos all over without a problem. You could go 70 on the interstate no problem. The only thing I didn't like about it is it was noisy as it was only a 4 speed. It really needed an overdrive. As far as safety wise you wouldn't have one problem at all. You are just going to accelerate slower and be slower on hills. Other than that you are going to brake just as good as one with a V-8 and the suspension is also going to be the same. I don't see that you'd have one problem with it whatever you wanted to do as long as you weren't in a big hurry.

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I agree, Cowboy- That Ford 300 cid six was a mighty fine light truck engine and so was the GM 292. -Just ask UPS. I think we are placing too much emphasis on the number of cylinders; It's cubic inches that matters. I used to drive a truck with a six cylinder engine (gvw 30,000 lbs) and it hauled the mail- 'cause it displaced 590 cubic inches. -Stan
 
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Stan, I would heartily disagree. Todays engines have a much lower compression ratio than those of yesteryear. Translation? Thanks to Uncle Sammy, and the EPA, the newer engines, while having the same or more C.I., have less power due to the lower compression ratio. They do not have the same torque and power at lower end of the RPM range, but with a rig that has a decent rear-end gear ration (4.10, 4.11 etc) they will pull the loads.
An example that comes ready to mind, an AMC 390 V8 had 10.5 to 1 compression ration on the cylinders, the mandated change (smog, etc) dropped that down to 8.0 (or 7.5) to one, which was evident in the 400 c.i. that replaced the 390. The 390 developed (factory stock) 345 brake horsepower, and the 400 was somewhere around a 100 h.p. less (I don't remember the specs). Of course somewhere in there, the method of determaning BHP also changed, reflecting a lower hp rating.
One of the diff's in 1/2 vs 3/4 ton rigs will be in the axle size (diameter) and bearing size's. Put the same load on a 1/2 ton and a 3/4 ton, and (speaking heavy load here) you can and will get bearing chatter out of the 1/2 ton rear axles, whereas the 3/4 ton will not give that phenominum....but were talking load actually on the rig, not a trailer.
Of course, I expect some to take umbrage at my comments, but it is my own opinion and experience.
 
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Scruffy-
True, smog regs took a big chunk out of performance in the 70's and 80's, but we got it all back with the advent of electronic fuel injection. Case in point- we had (at work) an '86 Ford 3/4 ton 460 (carbureted), and an '89 Ford 1 ton 460 (EFI). The former was a dog; the latter a hot rod. This illustrates, if anything, your point- that management of cubic inches is as important as cubic inches. My point, however, was that the total displacement, measured in cubic inches, was what mattered, not the number of cylinders that went into the equation.
The superiority of the 3/4 ton axle is due primarily to its full-floating design - each wheel rides on two (tapered) timken bearings, whereas the 1/2 ton typically rides on a single roller or ball bearing. As you mentioned, the 3/4 ton's axles are also quite a bit beefier. This is good, as we all tend to push light trucks past their design limitations. - Stan
 
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Every Dodge Cummins Diesel on the road is a 6 cylinder...but that's really not what you meant, I don't think.

JimI
 
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<font color=red>Thanks to Uncle Sammy, and the EPA, the newer engines, while having the same or more C.I., have less power due to the lower compression ratio. They do not have the same torque and power at lower end of the RPM range</font color=red>

You got that backwards. Back in the 70's, and before, the only motors that had over 8 to 1 compression were the performance cars. Now thanks to FI, most motors have over 9 to 1, and some with alloy heads are running 10 to 11 to 1. Were talking big block muscle car here. And these did not get anywere near the MPG that we get now.

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Paul, that 390 I mentioned got decent mileage for what it was, but at 196,000 + miles, I rebuilt it. /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif It only got 7 hwy, 4 city after that, but ain't nuttin ever got in front of it!
Pulled a little over 540 hp on a dyno meter. Turkey was a problem keeping axles under it, plus with the 5000# pressure plate, it was a bear at a stoplight! That pressure plate also kept breaking pivot arm brackets. The other problem was a set of TA Radials lasted 1500 miles on the rear, and 3000 on the front. Engine was in a 67 AMC Rebel SST 2dr Hardtop, with a factory stock 4 speed.
My 68 Chev 1/2 ton SWBed was only for show/drags, it set 3" off the ground with a 454CI, Muncie 4speed, 410 rear end.
Finally rounded up a 55Jimmy for every day use.
 
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Hey all-

Thanks for the replies. Yes, it is the original 4.3liter V6, rated at 160Hp and 235 ft-lbs of torque. It's a 4WD, with standard transmission--don't know about final gear ratio.

Came across a '90 F250 4X2 w/V8 & auto transmission for $2,000 less--Chevy only has 65,000 miles, while the Ford is probably 160,000.
 
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scruffy,
Don't get me wrong, I love the old stuff. We have a 70 Mustang that has a 351 that hat 10 3/4 to 1 pistons in it.[next motor will be a little lower, it's hard finding Cam2 gas] I also have a 72 LTD convertible that I will be building a 460 for.

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I preferred it myself. Matter of fact, this 95 RAM's injection system I would love to give to you! It's developed the blah's 30000+ miles back down the road. Runs good, just gutless as all get out, pulls well, but no pickup speed to it. Something aint right in Denmark with it, yet no one has been able to find out what. Wonder if its related to the running out of gas when it has 7/8's, 3/4's, 1/2, 3/8's or whatever point it decides to quit. I carry a six gallon can of gas, dump it in when it sputters out, and it fires right back up like nothing happened. Ah the wonders of the newer models! When it totally quits, then I will find out what the problem was. Until then, its carry the gas can!! I'll still take the older engine designs! Carburation and all.
 
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At one time, my Dad had a GMC with a V6, early 60's model, I think. 3 speed on the column. He pulled a two horse trailer all over the place with that old truck. Really it's all gears anyway. Right? Didn't they used to say that you could pull a frieght train with a washing machine motor, if you had the right gears?

Ernie
 
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Ernie-
In my opinion, that was the best gas engine anyone ever put in a light truck. It's detractors complained about poor fuel mileage, but I always felt that the problem was with the gearing. That engine produced gobs of torque, and was capable of pulling some pretty tall gears, and had it been mated to the five and six speed overdrive transmissions of today, perhaps it would have survived a little longer; but then again, the Ford 300 six went away , too- maybe they just used the the wrong fuel - and cost too much to produce.
 
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Ernie, I would say you hit it right on the head. My Dad's old 62 Chev 3/4 with 1.5 ton suspension and inline six w/4 speed would haul a bed and trailer load of hay or whatever up hill or down all day, so long as you didn't push it over 45. That thing would blow the engine when pushed 55 for more than a couple miles. It was so low geared that it flat over revved at 55. Boy would it dig down in granny and go for it when hooked up to a heavy load, or hauling one. You would know what I mean if you were familiar with a barnyard in Oregon in the wintertime. Darn yuck would get knee deep, and that truck would wade through it.
 

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