3/4 ton mpg empty?

[OHVarmntr]

Ford took nearly six billion dollars of bailout money in 09, but they didn't use it to stay afloat and restructure their business model. They used it to retool plants to make more fuel-efficient vehicles. Notice in the past 5 years the influx of fuel-efficient Ford vehicles to the market? It all happened after the bailout. They could have done it themselves, but it was too easy for them to get money from the .gov. They had it set up to get up to nine billion if they wanted it. Heck, they were even one of the biggest supporters of the cash for clunkers program. Don't get me wrong I'd support Ford before anything GM, and Chrysler/Fiat before Ford, but they're all guilty.

I realize the impact that losing the American automakers would have had upon our economy, but the way our .gov handled it was an open invitation for them to do it again. GM was the scapegoat and their transactions were made the most public, but they also were involved the most. I worked for non-union a GM supplier that went from 160+ workers to around 70 after GM pulled the plug on us. We barely stayed afloat then I left.

Anywho, sorry to derail, we could make another thread I guess.

 

[JJZ 109]

Although we're way off topic from the original post, here's a little something I picked up from Government Bailout of Ford GM Chrysler and the Auto Industry
Note the last line in the paragraph. But I'm sure there will be a rebuttal here.

"Ford's Bailout Proposal

Ford requested a $9 billion line-of-credit from the government, and a $5 billion loan from the Energy Department. It pledged to accelerate development of both hybrid and battery-powered vehicles, retool plants to increase production of smaller cars, close dealerships, and sell Volvo. Ford is in better shape than the other two because it had already mortgaged its assets in 2006 to raise $24.5 billion. Although Ford didn't need, and didn't receive any funds, it also didn't want its competition to get the upper hand thanks to the government bailout."

 

[Soundguy]

semi related topic.

This past week ive drivel up and down the state.

Never before have i seen so much trailer hauling by under sized and under powered vehicles!

I've neen nearly kileld 2x by someone pulling a trailer and wagging all over the road trying to do it with the wrong tow vehicle. And i'm not talking all clunkers. I'm talking even NEW small crossover and micro suv type vehicles. small econo cars and small ( 1/4) pickup trucks.. pulling an array of trailers, including horse trailers.

no pull ouit power.

no weight,

apparently not enough brakes

not enough rear suspension either.

i blame some of this on the push to 'outlaw' large 'gashog' type vehicles, and the general anti-big evil suv/truck stuff that was goig on a lil while back.

thanks to that we now have people trying to pull a 6'-20' landscape trailer that has 2 big ztr's and a ton of mulch using some lil got to school cross over vehicle that swerves all over the road! Or lil 'focus' sized car pulling a single axle box trailer loaded with gosh-knows what, bumper an inch fromt he road, headlamps pointing up into trees.. pulling out into traffic.. ladder on a side rack on the trailer.. so some guy is doing contracting work with a econo car he bought when he sold his evil pickup truck...

 

[fordmantpw]

Ford took nearly six billion dollars of bailout money in 09, but they didn't use it to stay afloat and restructure their business model.

Ford's money was not bailout money, it was a loan, that Ford is paying back (or has paid back) with interest. The loans were made available to many automakers to increase fuel economy in their product line. The govt made money on those deals. The GM bailout was money that the govt. lost. Period. It cost all of us 10.4B to keep GM afloat. It is all lined out in the link JJZ 109 posted. The important snippet on the bailout for GM is below:

In total, Treasury spent $51.03 billion in GM bailouts, but it wound up only costing $10.4 billion.

Some people can't understand the difference between a bailout (handout) and a loan. GM took a handout. Ford (and others) took a loan.

Although we're way off topic from the original post, here's a little something I picked up from Government Bailout of Ford GM Chrysler and the Auto Industry
Note the last line in the paragraph. But I'm sure there will be a rebuttal here.

"Ford's Bailout Proposal

Ford requested a $9 billion line-of-credit from the government, and a $5 billion loan from the Energy Department. It pledged to accelerate development of both hybrid and battery-powered vehicles, retool plants to increase production of smaller cars, close dealerships, and sell Volvo. Ford is in better shape than the other two because it had already mortgaged its assets in 2006 to raise $24.5 billion. Although Ford didn't need, and didn't receive any funds, it also didn't want its competition to get the upper hand thanks to the government bailout."

 

[sparc]

2012 F-350. 6.7 diesel, 38000 miles. Over 95 % of this miles are unloaded/no trailer and my average commute one way is 19 miles with few stops and almost no traffic in the morning since its so early. I've been getting 20-22 mpg for the last 7000 miles. Overall since mile one about 19 which includes about 1500 miles towing.

 

[yelbike]

2012 F-350. 6.7 diesel, 38000 miles. Over 95 % of this miles are unloaded/no trailer and my average commute one way is 19 miles with few stops and almost no traffic in the morning since its so early. I've been getting 20-22 mpg for the last 7000 miles. Overall since mile one about 19 which includes about 1500 miles towing.

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What speed do you drive generally? Would you consider yourself a fuel miser type of driver or just average with no major regard for fuel consumption.

Reason I ask is I'm impressed with your mileage.

 

[fordmantpw]

What speed do you drive generally? Would you consider yourself a fuel miser type of driver or just average with no major regard for fuel consumption.

Reason I ask is I'm impressed with your mileage.

My dad had very similar mileage with his '11 F250 6.7L. And he ain't no fuel miser!

 

[yelbike]

And here I am averaging 12-14 mpg with my 2007 mark Lt. That's mixed very light towing a 5x10 wedge nose cargo trailer, city and highway driving. Mileage actually goes down in winter due to cold and more idling. I think its time to change trucks.

 

[fordmantpw]

And here I am averaging 12-14 mpg with my 2007 mark Lt. That's mixed very light towing a 5x10 wedge nose cargo trailer, city and highway driving. Mileage actually goes down in winter due to cold and more idling. I think its time to change trucks.

Not sure about Canada, but here, diesel fuel costs 10-30% higher than gasoline. So that negates a lot of the fuel savings. With mixed city and highway, you probably wouldn't pick up enough to make up the difference in fuel costs. And that doesn't count the $8k additional upfront cost, plus the $100 oil changes.

I average 12 MPG in my everyday driving with my '08 diesel. Highway can reach 21 in easy driving at 60 MPH, but any stop lights or traffic or higher speeds sends it plummeting...quickly. Then, the regen kicks in and it plummets some more. I love towing with my diesel, but it's just not as economical as it was in the pre-emissions days and when diesel fuel was cheaper than gasoline.

 

[Garandman]

First, you need to know that men will lie about three things:
Their sex life.
Their hunting dogs.
Their MPG.

I once asked two guys with identical Suburbans what they got for mpg. The first said, "18mpg" the second said "Best ever on highway 18, 12-15 around town."

OP, fuelly.com has actual observed mpg. You can select powertrain and body style.