234 Water pump and belt failure

[warment]

My dad's 234 just had the water pump fail. Pump seized up and burned off the belt. Just ordered both off of Ebay. Water pump looked to be original. I think the tractor was built in 1984.

 

[warment]

Everything is back together and running fine. Tractor has a stupid setup for replacing the belt.

 

[Frank Read]

Everything is back together and running fine. Tractor has a stupid setup for replacing the belt.

Just curious - The cogged belt on my IH 234 broke and it seems to be quite a job to replace it. Before I order a repair manual, can you shed some light on "stupid setup for replacing belt"
It doesn't appear that I can slip belt over bottom pulley and likely have to remove electric PTO, Radiator etc.

Look forward to your comments.

Frank Read
Princeton, Ontario, Canada
email >>> frankread@gmail.com

 

[warment]

I really had to think about it...it has been a while...lol

Anyways, From what I remember, I had to remove the bolts that connect the front mounted elec pto shaft to the motor in order to get the belt around the pto shaft and water pump. Once the bolts are removed (3 or 4 bolts on the end of the motor pulley...can't remember), the bolts on the pto housing could be removed and moved forward.

I will look for a pic that explains in a minute.

 

[warment]

BTW, I have an illustrated parts manual for the engine if you are interested.

 

[warment]

Also, my Dad's tractor has a Woods belly mower if that helps. If yours doesn't have this setup, you likely would not have the front mount elec pto for the belly setup.

 

[warment]

Couldn't find a pic for you. When I replaced the water pump, I had everything (radiator, belt, front pto, pulley, hoses, etc) off. I think you might be able to get by with just removing the front pto and shaft from the pulley on the motor and then snake the new belt around the fan, water pump and pulley. Not sure if the fan shroud allows enough room. I will look tonight if I remember.

 

[Frank Read]

Thanks Warment: Fast response. Sadly you are telling me what I didn't want to hear. A lot of parts have to come off to get belt around bottom pulley.I just had shop replace PTO clutch with an after market OX clutch rather than original so may have to go back to shop BUT they are so busy I didnt want to wait as long as they take ( last time 6 weeks for simple job - priority sequence I suppose)
Do you recall if you had to pull the rad ?

A pic if you can find it would be helpful. Mine has 61MB belly mower

I am weighing in my mind if I can do it myself ??? I am not a real mechanic but a jack of all trades with NO special skills.

Thanks again

Frank Read

 

[Frank Read]

You answered so quickly - Rad likely has to come off BUT if you think it can stay by snaking belt around shroud would respect your opinion.

Frank Read

 

[warment]

Let me look again tonight and give you my honest opinion. At the minimum, the pto shaft has to be disconnected from the crank pulley and slid forward to get the belt where it needs to go there. Not that big of a deal for that. You do have to loosen the deck drive belt as well.

 

[warment]

Just looked a few minutes ago. I think you are going to have a difficult time splitting the PTO shaft from the crank pulley without taking everything apart. I forgot, the bolts that hold the shaft on there go completely through the crank pulley/rubber isolator. You have to get to the back of the bolts to hold them from spinning when removing them. I think you will agree that it is a crazy setup...lol. Good luck my friend. Feel free to ask more questions.

 

[Frank Read]

Hey Warment: Thanks for all your help . . . I am starting to put together a page of diagrams that show PTO, Radiator etc. I bouught a Dayco belt with cogs at top in lieu of Gates with cogs on bottom. . . I think the Gates is a better belt and more like original. As you say this is such a stewpid setup to change belt, I am tempted to put 2 belts on - 1 working and one spare tied off if possible.
Do you think I should go with Dayco or order the Gates. . . Going to search out Kevlar replacement as well. I have so many other projects on the go I surely didn't need this and stressing me out. Hopefully it is not as big a deal as I envision.
Thunderstorms here. . . You have a fine day.

Frank Read - - - Canning Ontario ( Birthplace of Canada's #1 Hockey Dad - father to the Great One #99 )

 

[warment]

Frank,

I just looked back at my online records...

I purchased and installed the following: CASE IH 676622R1 Replacement Belt | eBay

Seems to be working just fine.

I don't think you will have any difficult issues...just a lot of items to take off and put back.

 

[warment]

Also, shoot me your email if you want the pdf for the 234 engine. Not sure where I got it from. It's slightly difficult to use, but has diagrams and part numbers. Of course, the pto and deck are not shown.