2210 vs. 4010 for finish and rotary mowing

anojones · Dec 23, 2004

There have been a lot of threads on these machines- but I'm looking for some more input for my situation. We have 14 acres of overgrown weeds/thorns that are very thick and in parts almost impossible to walk through. I would like a machine to bush hog this stuff- the terrain is somewhat uneven and it is hilly (too steep in parts to mow). We have also built a home and need to do some light finish grading and put in a nice lawn that will need mowing. I have been looking at the 2210 but am now also considering moving up to the 4010. I guess I'm not sure which would do best for my needs. Light loader work, bush hog a couple times a year (on some hilly terrain, with the first time being a tough one) and regular mowing around the house. In the end, this would likely be mostly a mowing machine, but with some work to be done with it up front. Thoughts or suggestions?

A Jones

RoyJackson · Dec 23, 2004

That 2210 will probably be too small for the tasks you have mentioned. This especially refers to any brush cutting. The 4010 might even be a bit on the small side.

You could hire someone with a larger tractor to make the first clean up of all that heavy brush. Then you could probably maintain it with a smaller tractor..
Or, you could look at a bigger machine for all your tasks. I run a Deere 790 which could do the heavy brush (of course, now you're looking at more money for a bigger rotary cutter). Even a 790 is a bit on the small side for 14 acres, if you're intending to maintain all of it.

I definitely think you'll want to go bigger then the two machines you mentioned in your post.

JDFANATIC · Dec 23, 2004

anojones,

Can't speak for the brush-hogging on the 2210, but I can tell you for a finish mower (I have the 62" MMM) it does an incredible job. As Roy mentioned, you might want to sub out the brush-hogging and then pick a tractor that handles the rest of your tasks well.

Good luck with your hunt. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

RalphVa · Dec 23, 2004

The problem you'll have with both the 4010 and 2210 is that the lift height with a bush hog won't be very much to get it up above some stuff to set it down to mash it up. The 4010 will give you about 4 or 5 inches higher than the 2210, maybe, because that's the difference in their ground clearances, but the lift height on my 4010 with LX4 isn't much. I'll 2nd or 3rd the vote by others to hire someone or rent something bigger to tear up the worst of the stuff out there.

The 2210 would be better if you need to do some mowing in and around stuff in the lawn with a MMM. Whereas, the 4010 has a little more clearance for going over uneven stuff.

For sure, if you buy either a 2210 or a 4010 with a bush hog, remove the top link and replace it with a chain (AFTER you have the bad stuff removed; otherwise, you'll have NO lift height at the back end). Just adjust the chain to keep the driveshaft from contacting the deck if it drops down low in back. With uneven ground, you don't want that ridgid top link in there. You'll likely bend something on the bush hog. At best, you may end up with the rear tires on the tractor being held off the ground by the rear of the hog and the front tires. The 4WD will pull you out of it, of course.

Ralph

jcmseven · Dec 23, 2004

A. Jones,

While I personally do not own either of the machines about which you ask, I have personal experience with them both. The 2210 and 4010 are both excellent machines. There have been some opinions that the 4010 is underpowered for PTO work, but this is not the case. It is an excellent machine. Likewise, the 2210 has a high power to weight ratio, which means it will power a 4 ft. rotary cutter well, even in deep grass. The key here I believe is what your REGULAR mowing will be. If you are planning to use a center mount mower, the 62 inch on the 2210 is fabulous and relatively easy to install and remove. The center mount decks for the small frame 4000 series are a good bit more labor intensive. They also provide an excellent cut, but are slightly more difficult to set up and not as easy on/off. Their cut is also marginally less good , perhaps secondary to their heavier weight; therefore, if you are planning to use a center mount mower and rotary cut rarely, I suggest the 2210. If a rear mount finishing mower is your desire, the 4010 or 4110 would be a better choice.

John M

RalphVa · Dec 24, 2004

I think that you'll find the 2210 and 4010 almost exactly the same weight, about 1400 pounds each. They're less than half the weight vs. if you go up to the next frame size, the 4310 for instance.

I know a deerhunter who has an 18 hp Kubota with HST who runs a 5' hog on it. He said the main problem is the weight of it on the back without a FEL.

The 4010 with HST would have at least the same amount of PTO hp as the Kubota. My 4010 goes right through very tall grass without straining. The only strain I've noticed on the HST so far was turning sharply uphill with the LX4 going and going over little mounds and valleys while doing the sharp turn.

Ralph

anojones · Dec 24, 2004

Thanks for the input. I'm sure I can find a neighbor to do the initial work for a reasonable amount of money and then could keep the place maintained with one of the smaller tractors. I think a 4' BH would be fine, I'd have the time to do it. How about stability? There are some hills involved and the 2210 appeals given it's small size and low center of gravity- but I may just be fooling myself. I'm torn between getting a MMM if I get the 2210 or just picking up a riding mower as my wife will probably do much of the lawn mowing around the house. Is the 4110 on a bigger frame- is it a significant step up from the 4010 besides a couple of HP and more PTO power?

A Jones

JDFANATIC · Dec 24, 2004

anojones,

The Mrs. would have no problem with the 2210, very easy to operate and ergonomically friendly (I'm sure the 4000 series are too), but the size of the sub might be more comfortable for her. I let my wife drive mine once, and that was a big mistake, she want's to use it all the time! /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

I have some moderate to severe slope conditions on my property and like the 2210's balance (I did have the rear tires loaded with Rimguard though) -- that said, a LG tractor is still better.

I'd recommend trying out the different machines, preferrably on your property to see what you like best.

Cliff_Johns · Dec 24, 2004

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The 4110 (which I have) 20 hp (17PTO), and the 4010 is 18.5 (14PTO) but note that the 4010 PTO HP is at 3000 rpm rather than 2650 with the 4110.

Fuel capacity is 5.8 gallons in the 4110, 3.43 on the 4010

Hydraulic pressure on the 4110 is 2,420(5.1gpm) and is 1,994 (3.4gpm) on the 4010

Lift capacity (24" behind the link arms) on the 4110 is 1,150 the 4010 is 860

Dimentions are mostly the same, with the 4110 being slightly larger (an inch here and there) and 150 pounds heavier.

JD makes a backhoe that fits the 4110, but they don't sell it for the 4010.

When I was looking, I decided that the 4110 was a nice price point with the 4115 adding too much to the price for what I got, but the 4010 to 4110 price difference was worth it. You milage may vary.

Cliff

jcmseven · Dec 24, 2004

I suppose each may have his own opinion, but I do believe there exists enough difference between the 4010 and the 4110 to merit the price difference. These two tractors are roughly the same size (both are about 100-200 lbs. heavier than a 2210) and although the 4110 is heavier than the 4010, the difference is small. Ralph may have to confirm this, but I believe the 4110 has a larger fuel tank, which is a bonus. The only small frame JD that is truly larger is the 4115, which has a longer wheelbase and weighes about 150 lbs. more than the 4010 and the 4110. I think that tractor has a strange appearance with its longer wheelbase and do not find it as asthetically pleasing. In my last post, I mentioned that the added weight would affect the cut with a center mounted mower. I should have specified the "mower deck weight". The 60" deck for the 4000 series is MUCH heavier than the 62" for the 2210. This does affect its ability to float over irregularities. My opinion is not to get an additional mower, especially if you opt for the 2210, as it is easy to manuver and gives a top quality cut. Although the deck is lighter, it is far from flimsy, and is easier to mount and remove. To me, it sounds like you would do well with a 2210, especially if you hire out the heavier brush work initially. Happy Holidays.

John M.