2021 Chevy Silverado 2500HD gas vs. diesel?

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   / 2021 Chevy Silverado 2500HD gas vs. diesel? #11  
A diesel pulls better but you’ll probably never save money with one unless you’re towing everyday.

Yes diesel pulls better, but no, there are scenarios where you will save with a diesel even part time towing. Like I said before depends on miles driven.

I deliver about 1200 tons of hay per year. My Cummins is rated to tow about 35,000lbs . If I had opted for the gas version, it would tow about 22,000lbs.
Each trip takes 4 hours.
Gas would take 109 trips to deliver the same as the diesel can do in 67 trips. Those 32 additional trips is another 128 man hours or 16 additional days per year. That’s 3 work weeks spent delivering instead of cutting or baling.

I won’t even get into fuel economy, but just for starters, I’m at 12.7MPG all stop & go driving and all the above towing. Truck isn’t broken in yet, so I expect it to be closer to 15.
Gas would be lucky to be 8.

The way I pencil it, I’m making money on a diesel in a 3-4 years
 
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   / 2021 Chevy Silverado 2500HD gas vs. diesel? #12  
If the price of a new diesel scares you, here’s a path to consider. Note this is not for everyone.
if one were comparing new gas to a new diesel, of course that person will see diesel is 5-10k more, depending on model & packages.
One alternative is to find a ’20 lightly used diesel truck. It will have depreciated....price will be considerably lower, too. You can extend the warranty for longer than a new diesel truck warranty if it’s dealer certified.
You end up much closer to the price of brand new gas truck but you get a much longer warranty. Let the previous owner take the 10k depreciation hit. I would take that over new gas any day.

Like I said, NOT for everyone, but something to consider.
 
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   / 2021 Chevy Silverado 2500HD gas vs. diesel? #14  
Up here it has been forever since anyone would find a good deal on a slightly used Diesel truck. Everyone says the same thing. They all want NEW prices, so might as well buy a new one.
 
   / 2021 Chevy Silverado 2500HD gas vs. diesel? #15  
What other point is there? If money is no object buy a diesel.
Here’s another point: Even if money IS an object, buy a diesel. As long as the situation is warranted, it pays off in the long run.

We all know you like your gas trucks, more power to ya!
But every time one of these threads comes up, you make other guys feel like crap for buying diesel. Stop already. Not everything in life has to “pencil out”.
 
   / 2021 Chevy Silverado 2500HD gas vs. diesel? #16  
I'm guessing my 08, low miles, never towed (almost never) Duramax is still fetching good money and is in demand. I doubt the gassers that old are fetching much. This is also a fairly uncomplicated Diesel by todays standards making it maybe even more desireable.
 
   / 2021 Chevy Silverado 2500HD gas vs. diesel? #17  
A diesel pulls better but you’ll probably never save money with one unless you’re towing everyday.

That's correct. However, peace of mind is worth something too. Me, I get all tensed up when pulling a heavy load with a gas engine up a steep grade, listening to the engine roaring at 4000-4500 rpm with the tranny shifted down a couple gears to have enough power to get up the hill. And then hoping the brakes don't get too hot going down the other side. Pulling that same weight with the diesel, I'm relaxed and the truck seems relaxed - tach stays below 2000 rpm and tranny stays in overdrive. Just a seemingly effortless experience. And then going downslope, a little touch of the engine brake is all that's needed to keep the speed down.
I understand some people don't get stressed out when their engine/drivetrain is straining hard. I do. A relaxed towing experience is worth the price to me.
 
   / 2021 Chevy Silverado 2500HD gas vs. diesel? #18  
All my opinions:

Rarely does a diesel make more sense than a gas engine, in 2021. The diesel is only the better option when the following applies:

-Towing around 20k, or more, often.
-You run almost exclusively highway miles with nearly zero trips being less than ten miles.
-The vehicle will be driven at extremely high altitudes, nearly all of the time.
or
-You want a diesel and can afford the mishaps and downtime.

My tow rig is a 2014 F-350 crew cab, chassis cab, dually with a 6.2L gas engine spinning a 4.30 rear axle. I can legally put over 5k on my ten foot flatbed. I regularly tow my 16’ dump trailer at around 15K. It’s very well mated. Now, where I live, there isn’t more than a few feet of flat land, anywhere. However, I don’t live in mountains, not even close. On the other hand, wind here is usually around 20 MPH and frequently over 30 MPH. My load typically is not a big wind sail, but sometimes, when I haul equipment, it is. If I was pulling a large travel trailer, I may have different experiences. There are a lot of people using this engine with them, all over the country, who don’t have issues, so I don’t think I would, either.

Lets go through my list.

For gas engines...Well equipped half tons have been rated at 10k, or over, for many years. A ”3/4 ton” is very well suited to fit in the “I’m towing 10k-15k” column. A single rear wheel “one ton” is pretty much a 3/4 ton, plus a little bit beefier suspension. The SRW one ton is just slightly more capable, often adding less than a ton of towing capacity. When you move to a dually (DRW), you get a lot more suspension capability. Often, another ton, or two of towing capacity and over a ton of payload. If you really want payload capability, get a chassis cab.

The only reason they put diesel engines in 3/4 tons is because they sell. From a functional standpoint, they make no sense. Almost no 3/4 ton can handle the payload (by ratings) needed to tow what they are rated at. The only way most of them could tow at max, without going over their ratings, is if they have a gooseneck trailer with the entire payload of the trailer directly over the trailer axles. Ironically, diesel engines weigh more than gas engines, so it gets penalized even more over its rated payload, before you put the trailer on.

The modern diesels really need to be run. Many miles with constant RPM‘s are needed, not optional. The more miles you can put on, each time you shift from Park, the longer the engine will last and the more likely it will be trouble-free. Short trips or trips where the emission system can’t get and stay in its optimal range will generally provide a litany of problems.

At high altitudes, the forced induction of the turbo will really shine. This is the one area that makes the decision more difficult. Gas engines just can’t make the power, way up. This doesn’t mean, “I need a diesel, I drive through the mountains, once a year”. If you live in high altitude, I’m referring to you.

Even with the best preventative maintenance, very few modern diesels live as trouble-free, mile for mile, as the current crop of HD gas engines. Again, if you’re towing 25k and driving more than 20k miles, per year, I’m not talking to you. That is what the diesel is for.

Let‘s look at the currently available gas engines.

Ram has the 6.4L. This engine, in its current firm, is fairly new. It is very capable, but has cylinder deactivation. From what I have seen, no engine with cylinder deactivation will last nearly as long as the same engine without it. Our shop has a Ram 5500 with this engine. So far, so good.

Ford has the 6.2L that is old school, very capable. It’s been out since 2011 and in 2017, got a slight modification. The torque is more and peaks at a lower RPM than the 2011-2016 models. I have had my 2014 over three years. Most of its life has been towing or hauling. They have recently introduced a 7.3L that thus far has gotten rave reviews.

GM has the recently released 6.6L. It replaced the 6.0L that was a fantastic engine that lasted forever, it just didn’t have the power to compete with the Ram 6.4L or Ford 6.2L. Not even close. The 6.6L is proving to be a great engine, too. Our shop got a couple, in crew cab pickups. It is a world above the old 6.0L it replaced.

With any of the gas engines, it’s best to get the highest numerical value rear axle available. Fuel mileage will be slightly hurt, but towing capacity will be greatly increased.
 
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   / 2021 Chevy Silverado 2500HD gas vs. diesel? #20  
Well I’m towing more than 25,000 pounds, but not 20,000 miles per year and diesel is still my only option. Show me where gas works. I don’t think it must be over 25,000 pounds AND over 20,000 miles per year to justify diesel. And that’s only the hay I haul.
If I load a farm tractor and 15’ bush hog on my 35’ trailer, I will be beyond gas towing capability, too.

Not every end user fits into your perfect world formula.

Another consideration is resale. The gas guys will tell you ”$8,000 more for a diesel truck” and that is true. However, look at resale value. Used diesel trucks sell for thousands more than gas trucks. In fact, once you hit 200,000 miles, gas trucks are approaching worthless compared to diesel trucks. I would diesel ends up getting you $3,000+ back on trade in. So it’s more like a $5,000 option when it’s all done.

Diesel trucks are NOT for everyone, but neither are gas trucks.
 
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