Loader 2020D loader capacity

Mutterranch · Nov 24, 2015

My YM 2020D will pick up more than I know the front end can handle. How much can I expect it to cary without doing damage?

davecharles · Nov 24, 2015

My 2220D will lift enough weight with my koyker 160 FEL that the rear wheels will come off of the ground. It will still drive that way with the front wheel assist engaged. I found this out when unloading a broken 240D that I had just purchased. I hooked a chain to the rear end of the 240D and lifted the back end off of the trailer. I started backing up and realized the back tires on my 2220D were floating off of the ground. Still backed up with the 4wd engaged (probably not the recommended way of operating). You should probably limit your lifting to 700-800 lbs.
Dave

Scotty Dive · Nov 24, 2015

I have a 2020d as well....not too many of these around. I have vtek loader on mine...and not sure what it lifts but the lift is stronger than my tilt cylinders. What loader do you have?

clemsonfor · Nov 24, 2015

i would say you want to stay around 700# max

Mutterranch · Nov 24, 2015

It's a V-Teck V2A with a 5ft. bucket. I have balast in the rear tires and I can still lift the wheels off the ground, I know these tractors are short coupeled and will tip up easily but I also know the front axel is the weak link. I think I will hang a concrete weight off the 3 point for stability but I'm going to keep my loads lighter.
Thanks for the replies.

Scotty Dive · Nov 24, 2015

That's interesting. I have the V2 loader with a 5 foot bucket and I have turf tires on all 4 corners. The rears are loaded and i have never been able to lift them off the ground or even feel that the back end was getting light. I wonder if your cylinders are different size than mine. I always felt my loader should lift more but I really don't have anything that heavy I can lift that I know the exact weight.

Mutterranch · Nov 24, 2015

What RPM's are you working at. When I'm doing heavy work I've been told to keep the RPM's up. I know that increases the hydrolic output.

winston1 · Nov 25, 2015

Relief valves are the keys to how much a loader will pick up. They are designed to be set so damage will not be done to loader, tractor or operator.

Scotty Dive · Nov 25, 2015

Dont get me wrong, mine can lift but when I put the bucket into a pile of dirt or even a pile of snow it sometimes wont break out. The last item I lifted back in September that I knew the weight of was a 550 pound woodstove. I had it against the front edge of the bucket while using forks and that was not a problem to lift it. It made the front tires squash down. However, the curl cylinders and their strength are a different matter. I have a gauge on the pressure side (between pump and loader valve) and it maxes at about 2100 psi. And yes, I run at full rpms when working the heavy stuff. I spent quite a bit of time researching what the vtek loader should lift but there are no technical documents out there. I recently installed power steering upgraded the pump to a 9cc. I have not done any heavy loader work yet to see if its stronger but I doubt it is since it always made the 2100 psi. I do question my loader valve as possibly having some leaking since the bucket slowly falls when running or when off. I dunno though. My apologies to the OP for hijacking his thread. OP...what are the dimensions of your cylinders and what valve do you have? Also - I am pretty sure the only difference in our loaders is yours has the quick release brackets where mine does not.

Edit - Looked up my notes and found this:
Vtek V2 Loader
Curl bucket Cylinders - possible match at Surplus center part number 9-7270-12
Retracted length measured center of eye to eye - 20 1/8"
Extended length measured center of eye to eye - 31 3/4"
Eye Hole Diameter - 3/4"
Rod diameter - 1" or 25mm
Case Diameter - 1 15/16" or 50mm
Stroke - 11.625
Notes:Re: Josef Tractor: 1000 to 1200 lb lifting force.

Mine has a BLB loader valve BM40 on a V-tek V2 Loader

chriswheeler · Nov 29, 2015

The manual that came with my Koyker 160 loader said that the break away was in the 1200 lb. range. The tractor it was mounted on was a YM 3000 2 wheel drive, the axle and front tires would never support that extra 1200 lbs in the 5 foot bucket. If you have the joystick control, there is a relief valve that can be adjusted with a socket wrench under a cover on the joystick. After some thought, I set the relief valve so the bucket would still lift the tractor front end, but that's about all. With that setting I was still more than able to load a full struck bucket of crush rock or dirt and still have more lift capacity if needed. I don't think the front ends of the 2 wheel drive tractors are built to stand the extra load that would be applied using the full capacity of some of these aftermarket FEL units, not to mention keeping the rear wheels on the ground. Maybe thinking about it differently might prove to be useful, sure would be safer. Thinking about how much lift do you need from the FEL, setting the relief valve to that point + a little might prevent damage to the front ends of these little tractors. At least that was my thinking as I was setting mine.
Chris

winston1 · Nov 29, 2015

Anybody know the definition of "break away"?

normde2001 · Nov 29, 2015

The loader can lift much more than the tractor can handle. I agree with clemsonfor, about 700# max. You can keep adding rear weight, but unless you add a really beefy frame you are looking for calamity.

clemsonfor · Nov 30, 2015

Is that 1200# number considering the actual weight of the loader as well?

chriswheeler · Nov 30, 2015

Weight of the Koyker 160 loader with a 5' bucket, and the frame was around 750 lbs. to start with. Add a struck bucket of 3/4" crushed rock and you start to see the front tires squat down. Don't know what the rock weighs, but the total weight of the loader and rock at that point has to be getting close to 1200 lbs. At least with my YM3000 2 wheel drive, the spindles on the front axles weren't much bigger than 1 1/4" in dia. and the weight capacity of the front tires, and the axles, were the weak link. With a 5' landscape rake on the 3 point, weight of the load wasn't a factor keeping the rear wheels on the ground. Don't know what the term " break away " they define in the loader manual means, but I'm sure it's having to do with that 1200 lb. added weight on the loader itself. I wouldn't want to be lifting much more than a full bucket load at least with these small 2 wheel drive tractors. Think the issue with the 4 wheel drive tractors will come down to keeping the tractor from tipping, and the load capacity on the front tires. That's why I set the relief valve on the joystick where it would just lift the front of the tractor off the ground, no more. At that setting it would lift anything reasonable that I had in the bucket and not break the tractor. I sold that tractor after 8 years of hard use and it was still in good condition with nothing broken or bent so that relief valve setting worked out for me over time and didn't abuse the tractor.
Chris

clemsonfor · Nov 30, 2015

Are they using the term breakaway talking about how much it can lift and break out of the pile or pull away out of the pile of say dirt?

chriswheeler · Dec 1, 2015

Think that would be a question for Koyker. How they are using the term " break away " on their loaders is unknown to me.
Chris

winston1 · Dec 1, 2015

Found this, not sure what it means either. :confused3: Loader breakaway or breakout force

After posting this I researched "breakout force" and found numerous threads explaining it. Much to complicated for me to try explaining.

normde2001 · Dec 1, 2015

winston1 said:
Anybody know the definition of "break away"?

In long distance racing, it's when the leader(s) distance themselves from the rest of the field

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chriswheeler · Dec 1, 2015

Thanks Winston1 for a good definition of break-away. Looks like it's the ability to scoop and lift. Point of my other posts is that most of these aftermarket FEL's are designed to fit a wide range of tractors, Yanmar and others. It's sure possible to lift a load with many of these FEL's that's not safe for that particular tractor that it's mounted to for one reason or another. Limiting this ability to lift by adjusting the loader hyd. relief valve might just keep the tractor upright. Most of our gray market tractors came without a roll bar. ( mine did ) Lifting to heavy a load sure could put the tractor on it's side fast, or worse, kill the operator. A little caution might be worth a ton of cure.
Chris