1965 Ford 4000 Backhoe

[ajc209]

Hi Looking for help rebuilding or replacing the front hydraulic pump on a Ford 4000 Industrial Tractor. This is a factory Backhoe with front and rear buckets, run off a hydraulic pump on front of engine.

It is a Vickers Vane Pump 2344988 or 2344990. Additionally, help on locating a replacement hydraulic filter as well.

Pictures attached.

thank you for your help.

 

[TractorTech]

Welcome to TBN.

You need to look closer as the numbers you give are casting numbers. It should be stamped on the pump. It’s possible it could be rebuilt, but you might search for a parted out 4500 (I assume that is what you have) and get the plumbing for a gear pump. Possibly get a decen, used gear pump.

For the strainer:

New Holland #86546607 ELEMENT

ELEMENT

www.messicks.com

 

[ajc209]

Thanks for the reply, Yes it seems all the numbers are casting numbers. I think something like

D1NN600B FORD 4000 4500 BACKHOE REPLACEMENT HYDRAULIC PUMP​

is as close as I am getting without finding a used pump. Pump pictured is definitely original to tractor.

 

[oldnslo]

Are there any other numbers on that vane pump? Usually would start with something like 20V *** or V20**. Look closely in the inlet and or pressure port. There might be a number stamped on the rotating group cartridge visible. This would be flow in GPM @ 1200 RPM.

Depending on model of vane pump you might be able to get a replacement pump or rebuild kit from Attica Hydraulics but you will need the correct model code.

 

[ajc209]

Thanks again. I did not realize I needed to find stamping. I found more numbers.

I believe VS 1F-17G 15B 20

 

[ajc209]

V3 1F-17G 15B 20

 

[oldnslo]

From memory it looked like Vickers model code but I dug out my old Sperry Vickers catalog and I could not find any vane pumps that started with V3. Makes me wonder if this was something special built for Ford.

Sorry not much help

 

[ajc209]

no problem, thank you for your help

 

[rScotty]

No PTO on the Ford 4000 Industrial?

 

[cbg8670]

I will look at house later. See if I still have any info. Had to get a coupler for the one I had

 

[TractorTech]

Ford 4500 front pump was a Vickers V33iP17G15B20C

 

[cbg8670]

Also ask over at yesterday's tractors. There was couple guys there. That knew all about the old industrial Ford s

 

[ajc209]

NO PTO or either of the two engine "standard" driven PTOs near drivers seat. This is a unique beast. The whole system is driven off this single pump.

I think I can make this work. I need to call to verify dimensions.

OEM Vickers 25V21A-11D-10L-153 Hydraulic Vane Pump 21 GPM @ 1200 RPM 4.12 cu.in​

I just need to get a new 4 bolt flange and threaded pipe. Large reservoir in front of engine feed straight down into pump. Pump feeds out to the passenger side. Im not sure if all the heavy duty 4000s are like this but almost the whole frame is the hydraulic reservoir.

I would like the ease of swapping in identical pump but realized that would probably not happen. I am hopeful above pump fits because there is almost no room. Cant really butcher to fit something in since it is all frame or at least 1 " thick cast material around current pump location. Pump is driven off shaft mounted directly to crank.

Hopeful above recommended hydraulic filter fits as well. This filter sits in the reservoir in front of engine. I could eventually plumb in an inline filter somewhere but no place screams out to be convenient so sticking with factory would be easiest.

thanks all for the help.

 

[ajc209]

Ford 4500 front pump was a Vickers V33iP17G15B20C

thanks! I will look into this. It appears exactly the same

 

[TractorTech]

Here is the hydraulic system you should have. The pump pictured is a gear pump with the 4 bolt pump lines. The filter is in the top tank and the loader frame completes the reservoir.

Make sure you inspect the drive crosses for wear. Grease the crosses before installing if not worn.

 

[ajc209]

Here is the hydraulic system you should have. The pump pictured is a gear pump with the 4 bolt pump lines. The filter is in the top tank and the loader frame completes the reservoir.

Make sure you inspect the drive crosses for wear. Grease the crosses before installing if not worn.

Thanks, I really appreciate the help. I looked all over for this stuff and appreciate you guys helping out here.