whodat526
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i have seen them with a little bit of plate left on and wouldn't move the tractor
not on a tractor this small tho
1961 Ford 4030 - Clutch Problem?
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i have seen them with a little bit of plate left on and wouldn't move the tractor
not on a tractor this small tho
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i've seent he hub rip out of a clutch, if that's what yer asking.
that pretty effectively kills it..
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Thanks for all the help so far. Here's the latest:
I jacked up the rear end. With the transmission in neutral, I spun a tire by hand and the other tire spun in the opposite direction. With the rear end in the air (insert your own joke here...) I started it up, and went through the gears. Strangely, the wheels turned in the opposite direction - it was like I had 1 forward and 4 reverse. The PTO turned when the clutch was engaged. Lowered it off the jack, and went through the gears again. It didn't take off, but I could see and feel a slight movement of the wheels in each gear - but again, it was in the opposite direction! Am I missing something?
I jacked up the rear end. With the transmission in neutral, I spun a tire by hand and the other tire spun in the opposite direction. With the rear end in the air (insert your own joke here...) I started it up, and went through the gears. Strangely, the wheels turned in the opposite direction - it was like I had 1 forward and 4 reverse. The PTO turned when the clutch was engaged. Lowered it off the jack, and went through the gears again. It didn't take off, but I could see and feel a slight movement of the wheels in each gear - but again, it was in the opposite direction! Am I missing something?
strum456
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It sure sounds like the clutch. Sound guy would know about this better than me, but there was an auxiliery transmission option available on those tractors that could provide a step up and down (so 12 gears forward and 3 reverse). I have this option on one of my tractors. I am pretty sure Sherman transmissions also came in a reverser option, instead of the step up step down. Is it possible that you have one of these and it is stuck in reverse?
During these tests, did you check the PTO with the tires on the ground and the tractor in gear?
During these tests, did you check the PTO with the tires on the ground and the tractor in gear?
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diffy action is normal for one tire to spin fore and the other aft.
if you get pto and tire movement under no laod, but none under load, clutch may be at the end of it's life
if you get pto and tire movement under no laod, but none under load, clutch may be at the end of it's life
strum456
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I think he is saying that BOTH tires are turing the wrong way? Odd...
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what's the model id on the bellhousing of this machine?
ie. looking for tranny options...
ie. looking for tranny options...
strum456
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When a dealer adds a sherman or other aux transmission, where they supposed to stamp the BH to indicate the change?
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hard tpo say what happens in 50ys after it left the factory...
however seeing is believing. if there is no indication of a sherman tranny on the BH, and you see a lever.. well..
however seeing is believing. if there is no indication of a sherman tranny on the BH, and you see a lever.. well..
strum456
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Yeah, thats why I was asking. Mine has no stampings, but it does have a lever.
I cant think of any other way his tires would turn the wrong way. Did those reverser transmissions have a lever just like an over under, or was there more linkage to make for more comfortable operation? Maybe his is broken off...but I have never seen a reverser so I dont know what to tell him to look for.
I cant think of any other way his tires would turn the wrong way. Did those reverser transmissions have a lever just like an over under, or was there more linkage to make for more comfortable operation? Maybe his is broken off...but I have never seen a reverser so I dont know what to tell him to look for.
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sherman did make a reverser... rare though. probably made alot of forklift converted machines happy..
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still interested in the model id number though...
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CedarHillFarm
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I don't think the transmission is stuck. It shifts through all the gears, and when I had it jacked up, the rear wheels moved faster when I was in a higher gear. It's still strange to me that the wheels want to turn in the wrong direction...
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I should have my shop manual in a couple days. I'll start by taking a look at the clutch, I guess.
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And another thing...
I didn't think anything of it at the time, but when I was testing it today, I seem to remember that the PTO shaft turned counterclockwise. Now tonight I've seen a few discussions that indicate the PTO shaft should turn clockwise. True?
I didn't think anything of it at the time, but when I was testing it today, I seem to remember that the PTO shaft turned counterclockwise. Now tonight I've seen a few discussions that indicate the PTO shaft should turn clockwise. True?
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DID YOU TEST THE PTO WITH THE TIRES ON THE GROUND AND THE TRACTOR IN GEAR???
I think you may have an Auxiliary Reverser Trasmission. It is a seperate trasmission that could be later added on. It would be located in your bellhousing with its own shift lever coming out the side. A reverser trasmission WOULD reverse the PTO direction when in reverse.
Just to be clear, if you have a reverser aux. trans., and it is in reverse, you would go forward if your main trasmission was in reverse (but the pto would still spin backwards)
I think you may have an Auxiliary Reverser Trasmission. It is a seperate trasmission that could be later added on. It would be located in your bellhousing with its own shift lever coming out the side. A reverser trasmission WOULD reverse the PTO direction when in reverse.
Just to be clear, if you have a reverser aux. trans., and it is in reverse, you would go forward if your main trasmission was in reverse (but the pto would still spin backwards)
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yep.. pics and bellhousing numbers are needed.
ps.. many of those aux trannies have a neutral position too!
ps.. many of those aux trannies have a neutral position too!
strum456
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I was thinking that too SG. The aux. tranny could be inbetween gears too. That would be a whole lot better for the OP than any of the alternatives.
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strum456
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Definitely a reverser.
So, back to the clutch. Did you do what I said?
So, back to the clutch. Did you do what I said?
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