I have a !953 Ford Jubilee and it was working great when I parked it , 2 weeks later I went to use it and it acts as if it is stuck in gear . It starts and when I let the clutch out it shuts off , I removed the top off the tranny and I can`t move anything ,it is locked up solid . Any suggestions would be appreciated
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I had a simular problem on an Economy 2414 with twin tranny's, 1st tranny got stuck between 3rd & reverse. Had to remove shifter-fork assembly on top of transmisson, & free-up gear on syncro-shaft, with a small flat-bar. Found that the roll-pin that held the shifter-fork to the shift-lever snapped-off, luckily I had a spare tranny to steal parts from.
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I am not sure , I jacked the tractor off the ground and the wheels turn , so it is not in the rear end , but I can't move anything at all inside the tranny , no matter how big a prybar I use .
How do the shifting forks look. One didn't break or a pin fall out and jam in between the gears.
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it is.
look at the exploded diagrams and figure out which 2 are engaged.
probably is at elast one of the gears it was driven in last.
soemtimes the shifter forks are damaged or set screws slip.. or the shifter nub is worn and slps ( weld up to fix ).. in any cast.. get rear jacked up and use a bar and rotate engine BACKWARDS .. engine pressure is what locke dit up.. and you need to unwind it a hair to pry it apart.
this is best done with 2 people.. one manning a pry bar and the other manning the engine backwards pipe..
look at the exploded diagrams and figure out which 2 are engaged.
probably is at elast one of the gears it was driven in last.
soemtimes the shifter forks are damaged or set screws slip.. or the shifter nub is worn and slps ( weld up to fix ).. in any cast.. get rear jacked up and use a bar and rotate engine BACKWARDS .. engine pressure is what locke dit up.. and you need to unwind it a hair to pry it apart.
this is best done with 2 people.. one manning a pry bar and the other manning the engine backwards pipe..
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Hi Boattail If you have the top off, look at the slip spots where the forks fit in, Use a pry bar & centre the slip housing between the gears on either side. Or disengage the PTO in case it is stuck /seized. Let us know how you make out Thanks 8N Bruce
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i can't imagine the pto being the source to stall the engine. the bearing carrier would liekly disintegrate first.. that or the splined coupling would let go.. etc.. that's my gess anyway.
this classically sounds like 2 gear bind up.. and spinningthe engine a hair backwards and prying back to neutral on all gates is the key...
this classically sounds like 2 gear bind up.. and spinningthe engine a hair backwards and prying back to neutral on all gates is the key...
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Why wouldn't just stepping on the clutch cause the engine to be released?
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DId you think about ice ,you are up here with me in the north country , I know my 8N 's are prone to condensation . Just putting that out there , sometimes it's the simple that stumps us the most.
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good observation... but..... what'd that get ya? nada.
engine is FORCEFULLY bound in 2 gears. it did so with engine turning regular direction. spin it a hair backwards and regain that super small bit of clearance that let it eek into 2 gears in the first place.
it's bound up on the front end.. not the rear end ..
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DId you think about ice ,you are up here with me in the north country , I know my 8N 's are prone to condensation . Just putting that out there , sometimes it's the simple that stumps us the most.
i've seen ice in a 740 hyd sump stop the hyds up.. and ice in the front pedistal make it near impossible to steer.. but it did steer
those 2 issues saved me a few hundred $ as the seller said the hyds worked and steered good. after I drove a couple states to get it it had no hyds and hard steering.. on a front pedistal that is super hard to get parts for.. I didn't have time to wait till spring thaw to see if it was ice or badly timed breakage. we both decided on a some discount and went.
by the time I got home hyds worked and steering was good.
I got lucky. I've had many I brought home that were not so easy..
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When you jacked up the rear ,did you lift both tires off ,if yes ,did they turn in the same direction.
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May be I misunderstood you. Is the engine holding the gears in mesh or are the gears themselves somehow bound up and you propose "unbinding" them turning the crankshaft ? You should be able to also turn the pto shaft backwards to unbind the tranny IF it has the tranmission driven pto.
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That's where I was going next, use a rachect strap to pull-in clutch, try and move the gears on the syncro-shaft. It's gotta be stuck in between 2 or more gears to be locked-up. Or possibly a carrier bearing seized up, on the shaft. How did the gear oil look? Clear or milky?
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if it is bound in 2 gears, the gears are locking the trans solid. IE with 2 different ranges in selection, it can't turn.
turing the crak backwards lets you east it back to that small window where there was enough play to actually slip it into the 2nd gear while still in the first.
I believe it will be more efficient to do that than try to do anything with the rear of the tranny and the pto shaft. I'm not saying you can't help unjimmy it from the pto.. or the rear wheels for that matter.. but it bound up on the froont easing into 2 non compatible ranges, and then the engine pushed on it.. unpushing on the engine side seems to be the 'closer' approach to the actual problem.
in reality.. there will be lots of cussing, prying. asome luck and twisting and pulling to get them apart.
i'll bet on luck any day
