1911 double fired.

[2LaneCruzer]

It's very easy for a newb to double a shot. It happens easier as the size and recoil get bigger.

Many people have doubled with the SW500 revolver. You wouldn't think a revolver would be capable of doubling, but it is. When I let a newb shoot mine the first time, I only load one round at a time.

I can understand how a 1911 could double with a new shooter handling a larger round for the first time.

I have fired a few rounds through a revolver; both single and double action including a .357 and a .44 mag. I have never experienced, seen or even heard of one doubling...ever. However, I can see that a big caliber double action, with a very light trigger, might be capable of doubling if say you fired it in single action mode first and then another round during the recoil. Do you have any explanation as to how one could double?

I know that Webly made some semi-auto revolvers that recocked the hammer after firing, but I doubt you were talking about one of those rare birds.

Wow! I found a video of the phenomenon!

[video]http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2010/09/13/500-sw-double-taps/[/video]

 

[oldpilgrim]

It really is firing something you're not used to and how you grip and how hard you grip. As I said it's usually when you step up a size or two.

That girl in the video is lucky she didn't wack herself in the face with that. I let my 12 and 16 yo granddaughters shoot mine and I warned them repeatedly about holding it really really tightly and they did well. Never give a big gun to a smaller person without proper and repeated instructions.

 

[adventure bob]

Your absolutely correct it was mainstream news which makes it suspect to begin with. So what are the facts from the actual court case transcripts and opinion: These are the facts: 1. Olefson built a rifle for potential sale to Kiernicki (it wasn't his 20yr old AR). 2. The components he bought contained the trigger, hammer, disconnector, and selector switch for an M16, not an AR15. (still not a crime...yet) 3. Olefsons defense was that his ignorance of firing components eliminated Intent and was therefore innocent. 4. The prosecution argued, successfully, that Olefson knew and conveyed to Kiernicki (Olefsons own testimony mind you) that the weapon would fire in such a manner, thus he knew the weapon would fire in violation of the law. 5. He then tried to sell the weapon, even explaining to the potential buyer how the weapon would fire in the illegal manner.
This is not a case of "my weapon misfired, now I'm in jail" like the popular media would like you to believe and as I have said. The court case just doesn't support that. This is a guy who got the wrong parts in a lower receiver, thought it was cool, then tried to sell it. The M4A1 had the "S-1-3" (safe/semi-automatic/3-round burst) trigger group, so one could bet that was what he recd when he bought it. Oh and as a Army vet, the Basic Rifle Course tells you that its illegal to have weapon that fires anything but one round per trigger pull, so he had no excuses.

 

[N80]

Your absolutely correct it was mainstream news which makes it suspect to begin with. So what are the facts from the actual court case transcripts and opinion: These are the facts: 1. Olefson built a rifle for potential sale to Kiernicki (it wasn't his 20yr old AR). 2. The components he bought contained the trigger, hammer, disconnector, and selector switch for an M16, not an AR15. (still not a crime...yet) 3. Olefsons defense was that his ignorance of firing components eliminated Intent and was therefore innocent. 4. The prosecution argued, successfully, that Olefson knew and conveyed to Kiernicki (Olefsons own testimony mind you) that the weapon would fire in such a manner, thus he knew the weapon would fire in violation of the law. 5. He then tried to sell the weapon, even explaining to the potential buyer how the weapon would fire in the illegal manner.
This is not a case of "my weapon misfired, now I'm in jail" like the popular media would like you to believe and as I have said. The court case just doesn't support that. This is a guy who got the wrong parts in a lower receiver, thought it was cool, then tried to sell it. The M4A1 had the "S-1-3" (safe/semi-automatic/3-round burst) trigger group, so one could bet that was what he recd when he bought it. Oh and as a Army vet, the Basic Rifle Course tells you that its illegal to have weapon that fires anything but one round per trigger pull, so he had no excuses.

EXACTLY That is why I said it was either urban legend or the was more to the story. There was more to the story.

For the record, my father was an ATF agent for 30 years. Retired in the 1980s. Worked moonshine most of his career. No tobacco. My father was an avid hunter and gun nut. So were most of his colleagues. Dad was liked and respected by the various pawn shop and gun store owners he worked with. Some of them still keep in touch with me. He quit when moonshine started to fade and more and more of his work was with firearms. It wasn't because of the anti-gun sentiment of the ATF at large and it certainly was not because he was anti-gun. It was because the types of people he had to be involved with in most gun cases were scum of the earth. He always said that most of the bootleggers he had to deal with were decent people. The folks with illegal weapons were not.