1430 - How Many Hours

[BobRip]

If you own a PT 1430, how many hours do you have on it? What is the most anyone has?

 

[IrTxRx]

44 and prepping for the first filter change.

FYI -- the rep at 1-800-Duetz said the expected life of the engine in my tractor was 12,000 hours. I expect the PT will be a little pile of grease and rust by that time, lol.

 

[farm23]

180 hard hours. Only problem was a leaking motor seal. Replaced by PT under warranty.

 

[BobRip]

44 and prepping for the first filter change.

FYI -- the rep at 1-800-Duetz said the expected life of the engine in my tractor was 12,000 hours. I expect the PT will be a little pile of grease and rust by that time, lol.

12,000 hours! Thay sure beats a thousand. I suspect that is under ideal conditions. When we went on a cruise I got to tour the engine room and they rebuilt their engines every 12000 hours. Of course these were ideal conditions as they were run constantly and monitored in many places. They actually rebuild an engine during a cruise and bring a special rebuild crew on board to do it. When I was there they were replacing the rings on on piston because it was running warm. Not a rebuild, just some needed maintenance.

Still Duetz probably builds a really good engine to even think about 12,000.

 

[farm23]

When I bought my 1430 I believe Terry said to expect 6000 to 7000 hours. It really doen't matter because anything close to thoese numbers will out last me and my grandchildren. I really got the 1430 for the extra capacity and slopes.

 

[ponytug]

That would be about right for big green. We had a Deutz tractor back in the early 80s (granted different engine family) that probably put in 1200-1800 hours a year, and field lifetimes are up around a decade, so that sounds about right. The old tractors you were supposed to be able to do a single piston ring job in a couple of hours, since each sleeve and head were bolted individually to the crankcase. Getting at the rings was much more than loosening four bolts holding the head and sleeve on. Never had the chance to do a piston/ring/valve job.

All the best,

Peter

12,000 hours! Thay sure beats a thousand. I suspect that is under ideal conditions. When we went on a cruise I got to tour the engine room and they rebuilt their engines every 12000 hours. Of course these were ideal conditions as they were run constantly and monitored in many places. They actually rebuild an engine during a cruise and bring a special rebuild crew on board to do it. When I was there they were replacing the rings on on piston because it was running warm. Not a rebuild, just some needed maintenance.

Still Duetz probably builds a really good engine to even think about 12,000.

 

[kjm3232]

my wife and i have around 140 hours since may of 06. alot of hard hours clearing out a couple acres for a future pasture

 

[Barryh]

Hmmm.... Bob asking about the longevity of a 1430. I wonder could it be ... larger building = 's larger PT.

 

[BobRip]

Hmmm.... Bob asking about the longevity of a 1430. I wonder could it be ... larger building = 's larger PT.

Obviously even 6000 hours is a lot of use.

Barry, my schedule for a new PT is 2010. I am trying to decide on a 425, 425 big wheel, or 1430. I like the 1430, but I have many attachments for the 422/425. I would probably make an adapter plate to allow me to use most of my 422 attachments with the 1430. I would probably get the 4 in 1 bucket for the 1430. I plan to keep the 422 anyway or maybe sell it to a neighbor.

On the other hand, I have gotten use to the limitations of the 422 and there is little that I cannot reasonably do with it. I see its limitations as a challenge. I will probably delay the 425/1430 a few years and wait for a major breakdown of the 422. After building the garage I need to act frugal for a few years.

 

[Barryh]

Obviously even 6000 hours is a lot of use.

Barry, my schedule for a new PT is 2010. I am trying to decide on a 425, 425 big wheel, or 1430. I like the 1430, but I have many attachments for the 422/425. I would probably make an adapter plate to allow me to use most of my 422 attachments with the 1430. I would probably get the 4 in 1 bucket for the 1430. I plan to keep the 422 anyway or maybe sell it to a neighbor.

On the other hand, I have gotten use to the limitations of the 422 and there is little that I cannot reasonably do with it. I see its limitations as a challenge. I will probably delay the 425/1430 a few years and wait for a major breakdown of the 422. After building the garage I need to act frugal for a few years.

Sounds like a plan.

Interesting that´s when my truck payment goes away 2010. Which frees up my $$. I may be looking at another PT.

For now, the tractor I have is a great. It serves me well with the exception of the quick change over of attachments. I did get a little spoiled with the 180. My wife´s son just asked for my advice on which tractor to buy for his newly bought house on 5 acres. I sent him to the Power Trac site. I recommended the 425 for getting into and cleaning out their horse stalls. He may be getting one, we will see.

Selling to the neighbor can be a good thing. I recouped all of my money for the 180 minus a few attachments. The plus side is he comes over with it and I can use it if I like. The down side, if anything goes wrong I would feel obligated to help fix it, which is no big deal for me. I like my neighbor and can find the time.

If I had the welding equipment (on my wish list) like you, keeping the 422 and doing the adapter thing would be a consideration. Of course having the extra room like a new building would go a long way in making that decision. My John Deere is setting outside right now under a tarp covered in mothballs.

I have another building in mind for this summer but nothing quite as large or elaborate as the one your building. Will be interesting to see pictures of your equipment sitting in side all set up. May give me some ideas for mine.

 

[bbabineau]

If you own a PT 1430, how many hours do you have on it? What is the most anyone has?

Just a brief comment on longevity. My 1430 has a bit over 150 hours and is running strong. I don't doubt the longevity of the Deutz engine. I have a friend who has a 45 HP Deutz in a stump grinder. That machine is a beast and he runs it as much as 20 to 30 hours a week. He has over 6ooo hours on the meter and has never as much as had a hickup from it.

Bob

 

[BobRip]

Just a brief comment on longevity. My 1430 has a bit over 150 hours and is running strong. I don't doubt the longevity of the Deutz engine. I have a friend who has a 45 HP Deutz in a stump grinder. That machine is a beast and he runs it as much as 20 to 30 hours a week. He has over 6ooo hours on the meter and has never as much as had a hickup from it.

Bob

Well shut my mouth. That's real proof.

 

[DonStillwagon]

Have slowed down a little after getting all the infrastructure in here (trenches, rock walls, road extensions and widening, etc). Currently coming up on 1300 hours, and no change in engine performance. (new in Aug '02)
Really have a lot of fun when doing volunteer work - the PT will fit almost anywhere and will work circles around regular machines in tight areas with a lot of obstacles, and that observation is still true after widening the stance to 58" by extending the wheel motor boxes out - decided to keep the track within the width of the brush cutter and the LM bucket. Much more stable on slopes and when working on rough ground.

 

[woodlandfarms]

You got pictures of the wheel mod don? I have the funny feeling you have many many more so time to contribute ;-)

 

[BobRip]

I sometimes us my PT for short periods, like 30 minutes. Is this going to impact the life of a diesel?

 

[RegL]

I'm approaching 1000 hrs on my 1430. When I'm running it for hire it will be running from 2 to 8 hours at a time. At home, I would say most jobs take less than 30 min.. Hey! if I have something heavy to move, I will crank it up for one or two min..I don't think it's a problem. Would it be any different than driving your diesel truck for a couple minutes? Of course, I could be thinking this way because my subconscious is thinking about the 47hp 2011 engine that looks like it would fit with not much problem.

 

[ponytug]

Dear Bob,

Short answer, yes, but this is true for all engines. Slightly longer answer, diesel engines in general, and Deutz engines in particular, are built like tanks, and 30 minutes is more than long enough to get the oil warm, and the engine stabilized. Deutz engines have extra oil passages around the base of each cylinder to help warm it up, and keep the dimensions stable as the engine goes from cold to warm. So, the engine design is trying to help. (It also reduces emissions and noise.)

That said, an engine will last the longest under constant load (less than 80%), at constant temperature, with a single weight oil, changed regularly. In an ideal world, there would be a clutch between the engine and the hydraulic pumps, so the engine could start without a load on it.

Startup causes (relatively speaking) a lot of wear, since the oil is not yet pumped up into the engine's upper reaches. The vertical location of the Deutz filters helps retain all of the oil in the filter, but the upper galleries can still lose oil. You can install accumulators that will pre-pressurize the oil system, if you are really concerned. There are also additives that help with this, but you may notice that UPS and FedEx don't use either of them and get lots of miles on their trucks. You want the engine to get warm enough to drive out any water that may have condensed in the oil.

(Recently, I noticed changing my oil that the Deutz oil filter had a little rust on the spring inside the oil filter. I've never used a pressure washer on the engine. Hmmm.)

I never move my PT until after the oil pressure has come up and stabilized, and until the oil is warm, I never run the engine speed way up. I like my PT, and I want to have it around for a long time.

But for thirty minutes, I wouldn't even consider worrying about it. If I was considering using the PT only for 2 minutes at a time, I would accelerate the oil change.

I hope that this helps.

All the best,

Peter

I sometimes us(e) my PT for short periods, like 30 minutes. Is this going to impact the life of a diesel?

 

[BobRip]

That is very helpful. Thanks.

Dear Bob,

Short answer, yes, but this is true for all engines. Slightly longer answer, diesel engines in general, and Deutz engines in particular, are built like tanks, and 30 minutes is more than long enough to get the oil warm, and the engine stabilized. Deutz engines have extra oil passages around the base of each cylinder to help warm it up, and keep the dimensions stable as the engine goes from cold to warm. So, the engine design is trying to help. (It also reduces emissions and noise.)

That said, an engine will last the longest under constant load (less than 80%), at constant temperature, with a single weight oil, changed regularly. In an ideal world, there would be a clutch between the engine and the hydraulic pumps, so the engine could start without a load on it.

Startup causes (relatively speaking) a lot of wear, since the oil is not yet pumped up into the engine's upper reaches. The vertical location of the Deutz filters helps retain all of the oil in the filter, but the upper galleries can still lose oil. You can install accumulators that will pre-pressurize the oil system, if you are really concerned. There are also additives that help with this, but you may notice that UPS and FedEx don't use either of them and get lots of miles on their trucks. You want the engine to get warm enough to drive out any water that may have condensed in the oil.

(Recently, I noticed changing my oil that the Deutz oil filter had a little rust on the spring inside the oil filter. I've never used a pressure washer on the engine. Hmmm.)

I never move my PT until after the oil pressure has come up and stabilized, and until the oil is warm, I never run the engine speed way up. I like my PT, and I want to have it around for a long time.

But for thirty minutes, I wouldn't even consider worrying about it. If I was considering using the PT only for 2 minutes at a time, I would accelerate the oil change.

I hope that this helps.

All the best,

Peter