Backhoe 10 Series Backhoe Question...

[Dougster]

The 509 backhoe on my 2004 4110 (which I bought as a package used) is powered off the single set of rear remotes. To accomplish this, the control lever for the rear remote set is mechanically latched in the an "on" position and not allowed to return to center. While no doubt cheap and effective, this complicates switching the rear remote set over to run my new grapple even if I get a new rear selector valve.

While researching my options today, I re-read an old set of Mahindra/Bradco backhoe installation instructions which have the Mahindra/Bradco backhoes running independently off the loader valve with various fittings, lines and a second set of rear-mounted couplings, leaving the rear remote set (and its control lever) completely free.

Is anyone with a late model 3510 or 4110 plus backhoe using this latter arrangement to power their backhoe? Or is this approach now considered obsolete or otherwise flawed? It appears that all I would need is hose, fittings and couplings... all apparently available replacement parts and no new valves... and my rear remote would be free at last to power my new grapple.

Also, my Mahindra owner's manual illustrates a double rear remote set option. Does anyone actually have a 4110 with dual rear remotes... either bought that way or added later?

As always, thanks for any and all help!

Dougster

 

[BillBee]

Dougster…. I have a 2005 4110 factory installed 509 Bradco backhoe. I have the “double rear remote set option” you’re referring to. Yes, the BH operates independently and I recently purchased a hydraulic angle front snowplow and just plumbed off of the auxiliary rear remotes. I angle the plow from the control lever adjacent to the seat that you reference. The drawback is; until I plumb in a diverter valve, I manually swap the quick disconnect hydraulic couplings at the joystick. Other than that it’s fine and I think that might be the way to go, which allows a “clean look”.

 

[Dougster]

Dougster…. I have a 2005 4110 factory installed 509 Bradco backhoe. I have the “double rear remote set option” you’re referring to. Yes, the BH operates independently and I recently purchased a hydraulic angle front snowplow and just plumbed off of the auxiliary rear remotes. I angle the plow from the control lever adjacent to the seat that you reference. The drawback is; until I plumb in a diverter valve, I manually swap the quick disconnect hydraulic couplings at the joystick. Other than that it’s fine and I think that might be the way to go, which allows a “clean look”.

Thanks very much Bill - But I am thick as a brick tonight. I'm not getting your point about the need for a diverter valve. Question: Are your rear remote sets (A&B) and control levers (A&B) installed like this:

And am I then understanding correctly that you have a third set of couplings mounted somewhere near the A&B rear remotes that connect exclusively to your backhoe?

Dougster

 

[MtnViewRanch]

Doug, plum off of your pressure & return lines using tees and set up a pair of quick disconnects and you should be set. You should not need a valve to feed your backhoe.

Good luck with your projects

 

[Dougster]

Here is a poor diagram of what the dedicated backhoe connections supposedly look like mounted on top of a single rear remote set manifold:

Anybody with a recent production 4110 or 3510 have this arrangement?

Dougster

 

[Dougster]

Doug, plum off of your pressure & return lines using tees and set up a pair of quick disconnects and you should be set. You should not need a valve to feed your backhoe. Good luck with your projects

Hi Brian - That's essentially where I'm headed... I think... or at least what I am asking about! The only problem (or mystery?) I see is that these old instructions are based on an old loader valve apparently without power beyond. I have a newer loader valve from a different manufacturer with power beyond. The old valve in the ancient instruction sheets required that a hydraulic line be switched at the loader valve to operate the backhoe vs. loader. I am wondering if my newer valve still requires this. I wouldn't think it does.

On the other hand... as you point out... why should I need to deal with the loader valve at all? Why not simply tee into the supply and return lines? The problem is that I am too hydraulically dumb to know!

Dougster

 

[MtnViewRanch]

Doug, that's what is so great about TBN, answers, answers, answers. I am going to add 3 rear remotes to the 7520 and that is what I'm going to do. Tee in on either side of the 2 factory remotes. I think that it will work.

 

[Dougster]

Doug, that's what is so great about TBN, answers, answers, answers. I am going to add 3 rear remotes to the 7520 and that is what I'm going to do. Tee in on either side of the 2 factory remotes. I think that it will work.

Oh, I know what you mean. This forum is totally amazing. Without it, I would be dead in the water (or perhaps dead in spilled hydraulic fluid?).

But to add new rear remote sets, don't you need to add new control valves for same? The backhoe is a different beast as it contains its own controls. Most other implements need control valves... right? Or are you adding a selector valve for the new remotes and using existing control valves?

Dougster

 

[MtnViewRanch]

Doug, I will tee in on either side of the factory remotes to feed & return fluid from a separate 3 gang control valve set. Then run 3 sets of remote connections from there. When I'm done, I will have 5 complete separate sets of controls. I only need 4, but you never know what might come up.

 

[Dougster]

Doug, I will tee in on either side of the factory remotes to feed & return fluid from a separate 3 gang control valve set. Then run 3 sets of remote connections from there. When I'm done, I will have 5 complete separate sets of controls. I only need 4, but you never know what might come up.

Naw... not enough! I wouldn't stop at anything less than seven!

And here I'd think I'd died and gone to heaven with two free and working rear sets!!! Just enough to work that nifty PTO stump grinder I've been eyeing!

Dougster