12 States to ban diesel vehicles

[ultrarunner]

Without me asking or asking for more money, my landscaper has mostly switched over to battery electric lawn care equipment. Our city does not mandate it yet but the writing is on the wall.

At my parents' house where I do the yard work, I use three battery tools (mower, trimmer, blower). One battery gets me through the entrie yard and it's a decent size corner lot of about 9,000sq ft (for around here). I have three batteries and three chargers.

On a personal level my wife and I both drive battery EVs and we also have an old truck that's obviously not an EV.

Driving the truck to the gas station and paying $75 for a tank that gets 220 miles is just a terrible experience overall at this point. 220 miles in either EV costs no more than $9.

One of the EVs has enough range for us to drive from San Diego to Las Vegas on one charge.

Every EV owner I talk to feels the same. It's a vastly superior option if you can charge at home and drive less than 150 miles per day on average.

Overall, I'm on board with switching to battery for MY lifestyle right now. It's been great and I have no regrets other than not doing it sooner.

It's come a long way and with more adoption and infrastructure it will be a smarter and smarter choice for more and more people.

There was a time when the public had to cope with phasing out horses when a better solution came along. I'm sure early engines had many downsides compared to the good old reliable equine.

This isn't to say that policy level decisions are always the way to go. Sometimes they have unintended consequences. But there was no policy or law that mandated I switch to EVs, though there were many state and federal efforts to help advance the adoption as there are with many things. The free market gave me the option and I made the decision that I thought was right for me based on what I would like to think was a sound and sensible process.

Circling back to the beginning of my post, I am going to assume that my landscaper made the decision that was best for him as well. That's the way it should be.

Have several EV in the family and no issues…

The real problem for me is the ban on gas brush-trimmers for mandatory annual vegetation management on acres of rugged hillside…

The added weight of the full battery backpack and the thousands of dollars start up cost for a homeowner once per year just doesn’t pencil out when I have great Echo Handlebar brush cutters that are also lightweight and paid for.

A gallon of mix goes a long way…

I like my Stihl AP chainsaw, hand and pole trimmers, pole chainsaw, blower, etc…

I tried the battery backpack on in the store and and had them work up pricing and it was well over 2k

 

[Muhammad]

Have several EV in the family and no issues…

The real problem for me is the ban on gas brush-trimmers for mandatory annual vegetation management on acres of rugged hillside…

The added weight of the full battery backpack and the thousands of dollars start up cost for a homeowner once per year just doesn’t pencil out when I have great Echo Handlebar brush cutters that are also lightweight and paid for.

A gallon of mix goes a long way…

I like my Stihl AP chainsaw, hand and pole trimmers, pole chainsaw, blower, etc…

I tried the battery backpack on in the store and and had them work up pricing and it was well over 2k

Would you be okay with taxes on the gas powered tools that funded subsidies on the battery tools? Meaning if price was the same would you mind using battery or is that added weight a deal breaker?

 

[ultrarunner]

I have not thought about it…

The family EV and new A/C and other things receive tax breaks…

When I say family I’m including siblings and their kids…

I still have the $800 Plymouth I bought in High School… with my only new car being an accidental purchase in 2002…

There are Honda mowers and Echo Trimmers put out for collection all the time around here…

It truly shows the wealth even in Oakland California when quality name equipment put out as trash…

 

[rontaki]

I have not thought about it…

The family EV and new A/C and other things receive tax breaks…

When I say family I’m including siblings and their kids…

I still have the $800 Plymouth I bought in High School… with my only new car being an accidental purchase in 2002…

There are Honda mowers and Echo Trimmers put out for collection all the time around here…

It truly shows the wealth even in Oakland California when quality name equipment put out as trash…

The sheepishness of the general population helps explain why they choose the "leaders" they do.

 

[bvanek]

As said by Hay-Dude, battery powered equipment has a place in most people's tool shed...I have some and most work fine. But the mandates are for totalitarian governments. Freedom of choice is a staple of a free society....You want electric fine but don't remove my choice of what works best for me.

Remember the governing body who puts out these mandates for "the sake of the environment" is selling a high priced disingenuous narrative. Some fly all over the USA and the world in private jets, or they fill up their swimming pools with water that can be used for fires or irrigation for food crops, or they just travel out of the area or leave when they get uncomfortable.

the cost is the elephant in the room....and when they pass an "infrastructural bill" to actually get the horse out in front of the cart, ..it goes? well where does it go? So eliminate fossil fuels and freedom of choice (mandates) first then charge the rest to the future,(37 trillion in debt. Who pays for this?)

the future has been mortgaged to the tune of 37 trillion in debt and the cost of stagnant "green energy" will be a progressive chunk now and in the future. I say stagnant because the infrastructure is not there and windmills and solar panels have cost more than they are worth. Only subsidies and reliance on China are keeping them afloat.

Can you imagine that when AI gets in full bloom, just how much energy that will take? Probably at least ten fold what we currently have available. So it makes sense to me to use all our domestic energy resources to support a transition that could take 50 + years to sensibly supply our needs..... and contrary to leftist thinking we are not going to do it by blowing up our economy by eliminating fossil fuels as the first step.... (windmills and solar are just simply small scale supplements at best.)

Nuclear has the best chance to provide abundant clean/cheaper energy but the mouthpieces don't want that either. Of course hydro in my area has been a staple for clean and once cheap energy. Now sold out of state and many local private dams removed that compete for cost reduction. Again they don't want dams either so they regulate them out.... again for the "sake of the environment"

California is a very poor model for the future. They are the #1 example of putting the cart before the horse and in turn "mandating" freedom of choice.

 

[TractorTech]

@bvanek so, so, sorryly true!

 

[rontaki]

Would you be okay with taxes on the gas powered tools that funded subsidies on the battery tools? Meaning if price was the same would you mind using battery or is that added weight a deal breaker?

Please explain why I should subsidize other people's tools. The first string trimmer I bought was an EGO 56v electric, for use in my suburban yard. It did what I asked of it with power to spare. Then I moved to a 7 acre plot that needed some serious yard work, and quickly found that the EGO trimmer was simply not up to the job. I bought a gas powered Stihl, and it provided the needed power and, with the help of a small gas can, the extended range and runtime I needed.
Sorry, the genie that promised me to always have money in my pocket, was lying. Not going to go broke buying electric tools just to pretend I'm saving the planet (really, just human civilization), nor to make brain-dead legislator's wet dreams come true. No mandates needed if battery tool technology gets to the point people choose it over gas.

Who is John Galt?

 

[ultrarunner]

It’s one thing to say going forward regs are changing for new but tradition always respected grandfathered equipment… until now.

 

[jrsavoie]

WE likely arw discussing a 4+ year old article...

These 12 States (So Far) Want to Ban ALL Diesel Trucks

The governors of 12 states (so far) are asking President Biden to ramp up plans to ban the sale of new gas-powered and diesel-powered vehicles by no later than 2035. And they want new diesel sales to be banned by no later than 2045.

www.motorbiscuit.com

States are the usual suspects, including mine.

I can no believe Hellinois isn't on that list

 

[EscapedSuburbia]

I don't buy

There was a time when the public had to cope with phasing out horses when a better solution came along. I'm sure early engines had many downsides compared to the good old reliable equine.

That's why I don't put much stock in the "we can't have EV's because our infrastructure can't support them" argument. It sells American ingenuity short. There wasn't a gas station on every corner when cars showed up. I don't believe in government mandates but the buying public wants EVs and I have faith in American enterprise and profit motivation to get the infrastructure in place. I'm especially hopeful that it will create a renewed interest in nuclear power since a lot of the hurdles, especially in waste, have been largely overcome. Of course, we might have to wait for my generation who watched China Syndrome to die off to lower the fear mongering a bit.