b3030 front axle oil leak

   / b3030 front axle oil leak #11  
ahm, Yes. You got it right. You must have crushed the new inner ring down into the upper bearing with the press. In my case I tried to install it with minimum force and when it didn't go investigated the OD of the inner surface, found it too large, and removed the inner ring of the new seal, never suspecting that the old seal was structured the same way and that the old inner ring had been left in place. I incorrectly assumed a redesign. As I stated, there wasn't any visible wear on what was actually the old inner ring, so installing the way I did is probably OK.

Another consideration before you go changing seals again. Oil shot out under force when I removed the bottom drain plug, probably several ounces, then continued draining slowly. This means that the front axle case had a positive pressure inside and that was probably the reason for the leaks (both seals were leaking, one more than the other). If I had had my wits about me I would have realized what the real problem was and left it alone--over time for some reason the axle case had built up pressure and the leak was probably because of the oil working itself out under pressure. And, as I stated, I eventually found little evidence of wear on the inner ring. So I pulled the yellow dipstick/filler plug and found that it had no "breathing" capability, being tightly inserted with an O-ring sealing it. I drilled a small hole in this plug from the bottom up to about 1/4 inch from the top and drilled a second hole on an up-angle from just above the area where the plug meets the metal of the axle case, meeting the first hole, then stuffed a bit of cotton in there. So it will now breathe but will not allow water or dirt in (unless I submerge the front axle, which I do not intend to do). That should fix the pressure build-up, although why that would happen I haven't a clue. The day I did this it was relatively cool, so heat would not have been the reason.
 
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#13  
ahm, Yes. You got it right. You must have crushed the new inner ring down into the upper bearing with the press. In my case I tried to install it with minimum force and when it didn't go investigated the OD of the inner surface, found it too large, and removed the inner ring of the new seal, never suspecting that the old seal was structured the same way and that the old inner ring had been left in place. I incorrectly assumed a redesign. As I stated, there wasn't any visible wear on what was actually the old inner ring, so installing the way I did is probably OK.

Another consideration before you go changing seals again. Oil shot out under force when I removed the bottom drain plug, probably several ounces, then continued draining slowly. This means that the front axle case had a positive pressure inside and that was probably the reason for the leaks (both seals were leaking, one more than the other). If I had had my wits about me I would have realized what the real problem was and left it alone--over time for some reason the axle case had built up pressure and the leak was probably because of the oil working itself out under pressure. And, as I stated, I eventually found little evidence of wear on the inner ring. So I pulled the yellow dipstick/filler plug and found that it had no "breathing" capability, being tightly inserted with an O-ring sealing it. I drilled a small hole in this plug from the bottom up to about 1/4 inch from the top and drilled a second hole on an up-angle from just above the area where the plug meets the metal of the axle case, meeting the first hole, then stuffed a bit of cotton in there. So it will now breathe but will not allow water or dirt in (unless I submerge the front axle, which I do not intend to do). That should fix the pressure build-up, although why that would happen I haven't a clue. The day I did this it was relatively cool, so heat would not have been the reason.

the positive pressure is weird - i could have sworn there was vent somewhere.

i am concerned i've trashed the bearing that it seems i pushed that metal inner ring into..of course, i haven't noticed any issues in the years since that repair.. but will be interesting to see what i find whenever i do pop it open again.. i've got a couple higher priority shop projects (daily driver popped a head gasket - curse of subaru - and truck has rotting fuel lines - GM quality strikes again). but i will put disassembly and inspection/repair as necessary on my to do list.

thank you for identifying this issue and correcting my post - last thing i want is people doing something i've recommended and causing them pain!

ahm
 
   / b3030 front axle oil leak #14  
I found this video of a seal replacement on a BX, seems pretty much identical in design.

mjw, thanks for that. I only wish that I had known about it before wasting several hours trying to figure out the OD problem.


the positive pressure is weird - i could have sworn there was vent somewhere.

i am concerned i've trashed the bearing that it seems i pushed that metal inner ring into..of course, i haven't noticed any issues in the years since that repair.. but will be interesting to see what i find whenever i do pop it open again..

I suspect that the ring was pushed up against the outer race of the bearing below it, curled around, and probably ended up occupying mostly empty space in that area. Even if it pressed against the balls or cage in the bearing, those things are pretty hardy. If you you can easily turn the wheel by hand when on a jack and you haven't experienced problems yet from that, chances are it's OK.
 
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@DaveD1944 - well, 11 years later, and that seal i installed has gotten too leaky to ignore again...got it apart this afternoon...and just as you thought, i ended up crushing a 2nd inner race with the press...and while i guess i can't say definitively that's why, the upper-most bearing is trashed; little curly swarf was found in it. so while i had the replacement (2 piece :) ) seal in hand, i can't reassemble until the bearing comes in.. ordered the lower one to while i was at it (the 3rd one at the bottom seems to have survived)..

took a little patience, but walking a small and then incrementally larger cold chisels around the crushed inner race got it off..

just want to thank you for pointing out my mistake - hopefully i didn't steer anyone wrong before you posted!

ahm
 
   / b3030 front axle oil leak #16  
How many hours since the previous repair?. I sold my b7800 so I don't know how long my repair lasted but my L4740 is starting to leak. I'm wondering about switching to gear oil first to see if I can avoid tearing it down. The axle is alot bigger than my b7800 and I'm not any younger.
 
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#17  
How many hours since the previous repair?. I sold my b7800 so I don't know how long my repair lasted but my L4740 is starting to leak. I'm wondering about switching to gear oil first to see if I can avoid tearing it down. The axle is alot bigger than my b7800 and I'm not any younger.

I don't have records of the original repair hour-wise, but would estimate 500 hours. I don't generally do a ton of loader work though.. ever since the first repair, i've used gear oil in the front axle; not sure if that makes a difference or not leak-wise, but i see the pinion/ring gear in these cases like a rear end ring+pinion, so think gear oil is probably a better lube choice there...

ahm
 
   / b3030 front axle oil leak #18  
I love it!!!
Dug up an old thread, updated it in an incredibly respectful manner with relevant information.
I’m sure there are others that have done or will be doing this repair will find it helpful.
My hat’s off to you gentleman and keep it up
 

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