DEF going away ?

[Suburban Plowboy]

Maybe a temporary change in the law will give people an opportunity to legally de-crap their machinery, and then they would stand a good chance of being grandfathered in later when the lunacy resumes.

 

[John_Mc]

Congress would have to pass a law that says companies only have to follow federal law and can not be held liable for state imposed additional requirements.

In other words, they are all for state's rights... until the state does something they disagree with.

 

[Suburban Plowboy]

Sounds like what I tell my wife. "Submission" doesn't mean just when you agree with me.

 

[Hay Dude]

No.

The answer is no. At least, not yet. They can wipe out the CAFE fuel-economy standards, and remove the 2008 endangerment finding (that CO2 is a pollutant), but any attempt to roll back the actual tailpipe emissions standards will be met with a wall of legal challenges and will have a court-ordered stay (keep current rules) during the process.

So for now, your taipipe NOx, VOC and particulate emissions standards will not be reduced - meaning, you still need DEF and EGR to treat the NOx, and a DPF to catch the particulates. This is a good thing, though. The technology is robust and effective, and keeps our ground-level air much cleaner (especially in urban environments).

 

[Snobdds]

In other words, they are all for state's rights... until the state does something they disagree with.

I'm for states rights when the act of the state only affects the people in that state.

Somehow California is affecting me and I don't live there.

So yeah, we need a qualifier in situations like these that the bad decisions by one state do not affect those in other states.

 

[Lineman North Florida]

A large drill bit.

Them coal rollers might have had problems with their trucks kinda like you did with your tractor so why be upset with them, both cases are just eliminating BS emissions.

 

[John_Mc]

Them coal rollers might have had problems with their trucks kinda like you did with your tractor so why be upset with them, both cases are just eliminating BS emissions.

Nope. "Rolling Coal" is an intentional thing. They intentionally modify their trucks to produce as much black smog as possible.

 

[HawkinsHollow]

Nope. "Rolling Coal" is an intentional thing. They intentionally modify their trucks to produce as much black smog as possible.

Exactly! As ignorant as tossing your trash out your window on the side of the road in my opinion. My tractor gives a barely perceptible puff of gray exhaust upon start up and then smells just a bit more diesel smelling while working. These idiots send plumes of black smoke through the air everytime them stomp on the pedal. Most of them think they are really cool!

 

[John_Mc]

Exactly! As ignorant as tossing your trash out your window on the side of the road in my opinion. My tractor gives a barely perceptible puff of gray exhaust upon start up and then smells just a bit more diesel smelling while working. These idiots send plumes of black smoke through the air everytime them stomp on the pedal. Most of them think they are really cool!

The ones around here have a switch they can throw to turn it on and off (presumably so they don't do it when driving past a cop).

 

[Torvy]

In other words, they are all for state's rights... until the state does something they disagree with.

States have never had authority over interstate commerce since the Constitution was ratified.

States only have the right to regulate those things that are made and used within their borders.