Generic bucket edge tamers

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JTKub

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TYM T224
I ordered a set of these for the little bucket on my TYM T224. I'd like to use it for snow removal and much of my driveway is asphalt that I don't want to damage. One day I may get a 3-pt rear PTO driven snowblower for it to replace or at least add to my collection of struggle behind snowblowers that get me through every Buffalo NY winter.

These edge tamers look and feel pretty good for Chinese specials. They are cast iron and they came with plastic slippers that mount on with anodized aluminum brackets and cap screws. They are 3" wide. The only color available was green, so my tractor is feeling kind of fancy right now. I don't have them snugged to the bucket yet. Just test fitting them on there for now. These were just under $100 for the pair.


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I got a pair like that, less than $100 from Vevor. Chinese made, no fancy slippers, work great, but have to keep tightening the bolts. I have compacted staymat product for driveway. I only use until driveway freezes solid. I also leave an inch or two of snow to compact over. Flat driveway...
 
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Exactly why US manufacturing is struggling.

:cry:🤦‍♂️
I hear you. At the end of the day my whole machine is a Korean import. In terms of the edge tamers, I can't buy them off the shelf anywhere. I be happy with spending $40-50 more on a pair made here, but 100% more? Not for something like this.
 
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I have two pair of edge tamers. The real deal. (Buy American!)
Welded steel.

Cast iron on the wear surface sounds great. Cast iron at the clamp... not so much.

Now if they were Meehanite Ductile iron, GOLDEN!
 
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I’ve had the official USA made Edge Tamers for 3-4 years and like them a lot, they work very nice, very easy to install or remove, I would buy them again if needed.
 
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I hear you. At the end of the day my whole machine is a Korean import. In terms of the edge tamers, I can't buy them off the shelf anywhere. I be happy with spending $40-50 more on a pair made here, but 100% more? Not for something like this.
Your machine may be an import, but it's sold at a local dealer who employs people in the community. This is why I don't really mind Harbor Freight anymore, at least they contribute to local economies with all the stores they have these days.

Your profile says you are from West Falls NY?
R2 in in Alden, what's that about 30 minutes away from you? So yes you could have 'bought of the shelf' if you had contacted them.

I'm not trying to pick on you, it's just frustrating as a US manufacturer to see something so obviously ripped off. Full disclosure: The R2 Guys are friends of mine.
 
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Yep, even though I was a customer of yours, let's blame the guy who has a budget. In some cases, it's buy foreign or do without.
Blame? Hardly. Just stating a fact that I know very well. Am I allowed to have an opinion on this forum too-even if I'm a paying advertiser? I sure hope so.



Here is what one of the R2 guys told me when I let him know of these copies. How can anyone defend what they did? Or Amazon for supporting it?

Yup, they are literal duplicates of ours, as in they made their cast form from one of ours, which they then modified from. The common dimensions are exact. The most obvious way you can see the copy is that the front clip for the Poly has a section curved out. For ours it has a purpose, to make room for the gusset. They have it for no explicable reason, except that they copied ours.


Pretty frustrating that they take a product with the word patented literally stamped on it and just make a copy, but it is what it is.

They disappeared from Amazon for a while, I'll have to check, apparently they are back.

Yeah, so that's where we are. And clearly the tariffs have not done anything, this was about the same price last year.
 
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Blame? Hardly. Just stating a fact that I know very well. Am I allowed to have an opinion on this forum too-even if I'm a paying advertiser? I sure hope so.



Here is what one of the R2 guys told me when I let him know of these copies. Can can anyone defend what they did? Or Amazon for supporting it?
Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I grow tired of hearing from some, implying that, if you don't buy all American, somehow you are not American. I try my best, but unless you have a fat wallet, it is IMPOSSIBLE to buy only American.
As far as your example, a direct copy, as it seems it was, is wrong. We have so many laws in this country, you'd think there was someway to protect manufacturers like yourself, who spend the time and resources to develop an idea, only to have a knockoff steal from you. Had I had the knowledge before my purchase, I can say I would have done without, and possible fashioned a DIY alternative.
Again, sorry about the raw deal you received. It's not the way the country should be run. I understand the frustration etc. you feel on the subject.
 
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Creating a more cost effective product is one thing, duplicating someone else's idea and design is another matter entirely.
From the consumer's perspective, it's a little more complicated. Many are driven solely by price, while others may not even realize they're purchasing a knock off product.
I bought the R2 Edge Tamers before the knock offs became prolific.
 
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It's a rough thing, the way the ChiCom's just take ideas and copy them, selling them for 1/4 of the price. It's easy to undercut the competition when you have the financial weight of a government supporting you.

I'll also say that their low price makes selling used EdgeTamer's difficult, lol.

Anyhow, the whole setup is really quite inventive and the guys at R2 really are creative.
 
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I'm not trying to pick on you ........... Full disclosure: The R2 Guys are friends of mine.

Yeah you are. Why else would you have entered the chat? It's all good either way! I'm a grown man. I can handle it and a wake up call every so often doesn't hurt.

I had no idea the makers of Edge Tamers were about ~23 miles from me! The searching I did lead me to dealers who sold them. I could have gotten edge tamers for $130-150 vs the ~$100 I spent.

What I bought doesn't look anything like R2's ETs to me.
 
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Well, we didn't have account on this forum before, but when I saw this thread, I figured this would be a good opportunity for a first post. JTKub, we're even closer than that! We grew up in Colden, if you've been in West Falls awhile it's possible you know our family, and almost certainly we're a common acquaintance away. I learned to read in that tiny West Falls library, and our parents attended St George's after the church in Colden closed.

Regarding the knock-offs, yes, unfortunately those green ones are especially frustrating. It meant someone bought our product in this country, sent it to China, where they reversed-engineered a mold from our unit and modified the front of it. As Kenny related, the front clip is so blatantly copied that the people who did the copying didn't even understand why it was made the way it was. For all the knock offs, you'll notice the images on their pages are all photoshop'd; these people don't understand the products they are selling, and haven't even done the work to put them on a tractor themselves!

We have no problem with someone, even in another country, coming up with something novel and selling it here. But this is obviously not that. There is a term in economics called "dumping", and that's what this is. Do a search on it, it's worth a few minutes of any reader's time to be educated on such things. It's effectively state-sponsored economic warfare of selling unfairly cheap goods, and the American manufacturer has little defense. For whatever reason, the tariffs don't seem to be helping, which should have defended our country from these practices.

To be clear, lest anyone think these are political statements, they aren't. They're just the facts. I did say we have little defense, but we do have some:
  • We can be innovative. We invented the Edge Tamers (yes, we own the patent), and we made them to take accessories, such as the Edge Extenders, Hitch Tamer, Trash Tamer, Bucket Extender, and Poly Pads. None of the competitors have all of that.
  • We can make a high quality product. We went through a lot of time and expense to make a perfect part every time, and the powder coat is top notch and each part is inspected. We don't skimp on any of the hardware.
  • We can provide quality service. If you want to talk to a human, give us a call. If you have any problem whatsoever, we're here to respond. We have people call us literally years after purchase with a question or issue, and they still get serviced. That's just how we work.
Beyond that, we can't prevent much of the knock-off activity. It really comes down to the consumer and what the consumer values. If it's only the price, we will always lose. American innovation suffers, and our global competitor gets stronger. Hopefully, if you're reading this thread, you can see the value in having folks like Kenny and us around, who really do care deeply about creating new and useful products for the folks on this forum and elsewhere!
 
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To the OP, does your tractor have a cab on it?? I got a rear mount snowblower some years ago and without a cab its like I was almost always working in a blizzard! Snow always all over me. So glad when I sold it and bought a plow for my truck. Just a thought.
 
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I ordered a set of these for the little bucket on my TYM T224. I'd like to use it for snow removal and much of my driveway is asphalt that I don't want to damage. One day I may get a 3-pt rear PTO driven snowblower for it to replace or at least add to my collection of struggle behind snowblowers that get me through every Buffalo NY winter.

These edge tamers look and feel pretty good for Chinese specials. They are cast iron and they came with plastic slippers that mount on with anodized aluminum brackets and cap screws. They are 3" wide. The only color available was green, so my tractor is feeling kind of fancy right now. I don't have them snugged to the bucket yet. Just test fitting them on there for now. These were just under $100 for the pair.


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Yep…. I’ve used these for 5 years now and love them. Mine was purchased from “R Manufacturing” I believe. Living in Wisconsin with heavy snow accumulations has never been a problem. No need to buy a snow blade.
 
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Exactly why US manufacturing is struggling.

:cry:🤦‍♂️
Yessir. And, if you thought the globalization hurt America's employment, wait (if you've got a few more years left) until you see what AI will do to our job market and economy. Replacing earning, tax-paying (SSI, Medicare, Income) workers with depreciable automatons (See Amazon Warehouse Bots), corporations can write-off in the year acquired will have a 'trickle down' impact that'll make NAFTA look like a blessing by comparison.
When 'we' let Corporate America demonize labor unions and the effort to get Labor represented on the boards by selling us "Right to Work" legislation, it was like RedMap for worker rights.
Robots don't earn paychecks. They don't dine at McDonald's, celebrate Christmas, Thanksgiving, New Years, drive cars, buy tags, titles and liability insurance, shop at the Piggly Wiggly or Amazon. They don't buy houses, rent, or need a place to Eat, Sleep, Pray.
Instead of paying Labor Costs, the money goes straight to the bottom line and the 1% who own the corporations.
 
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Yessir. And, if you thought the globalization hurt America's employment, wait (if you've got a few more years left) until you see what AI will do to our job market and economy. Replacing earning, tax-paying (SSI, Medicare, Income) workers with depreciable automatons (See Amazon Warehouse Bots), corporations can write-off in the year acquired will have a 'trickle down' impact that'll make NAFTA look like a blessing by comparison.
When 'we' let Corporate America demonize labor unions and the effort to get Labor represented on the boards by selling us "Right to Work" legislation, it was like RedMap for worker rights.
Robots don't earn paychecks. They don't dine at McDonald's, celebrate Christmas, Thanksgiving, New Years, drive cars, buy tags, titles and liability insurance, shop at the Piggly Wiggly or Amazon. They don't buy houses, rent, or need a place to Eat, Sleep, Pray.
Instead of paying Labor Costs, the money goes straight to the bottom line and the 1% who own the corporations.
It's sad, but attempting to stop this trend feels like trying to halt a speeding train with a lasso. As the world increasingly develops automatons that replace human workers, the drive for competitiveness will push markets to adopt similar practices. Now in my 70s, I fear I may witness these changes in my lifetime, not to mention what my children and grandchildren will experience. Those sci-fi movies—mostly from the 1950s and 60s—that depicted such disasters are becoming a reality right before our eyes.
 
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