Hybrid Rotary Cutter Proof of Concept

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dadohead

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Hi,
Background: Here is a project I started about 2 years ago. Since I retired (2016) I've wanted to build a rotary cutter that addressed the issues I find in the typical single spindle cutter. For years now I mow about 4 acres of field and the ditches to my lane. I mow about 3x year; sometimes cutting 24" grass to 4" hoc. I mow with a JD 2520 (20hp pto) and a Frontier 5' cutter (I've tried others too). I retired from Deere after 25 years of designing tractors and finish mowers.

The problem: The problem with the single spindle cutter is cut quality; it just doesn't pickup tire tracks! The Frontier RC2060 runs CCW. The tractor pushes the grass forward in the tracks and mashes it down. The LH side of the cutter back sweeps the tire track and cuts well. The RH side aligns the forward sweep of the blade to the tire track and cuts very poorly. After several days, the RH tire track stands back up almost uncut. To combat this, minimal overlap is applied when cutting (essentially keeping the RH tires OUT of the high grass). I only cut about 2 1/2' of a 5' cutter to get acceptable cut quality. Drives me crazy!

The concept: twin spindle cutter, conventional CCW rotation, offset spindles, with mower shifted to the right so BOTH blades back-sweep the tire tracks! Given that I only have a 20hp PTO tractor, a priority was given to power reduction as well. With the tire tracks being mechanically swept up, a lower tip speed could be used as well as a medium lift blade. Impact cutting starts at about 12000fpm tip speed (going lower just "combs" the grass). I targeted this mower at 13,500fpm. 1" rake was designed in so the cut material would release and not recirculate saving power.

The build: I started by purchasing a used, beatup KeenKutter 3pt finish mower. It was junk! I did save the gear box and mounting. Trinkets were cut off of the deck and scrapped. Sheet steel was added to the rear of the mower.

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You can see the yellow outline of the original 72" mower. What made this concept possible for me was that Fred Cain (small manufacturer in KY) makes a 3' CCW rotary cutter. I bought 2 of his 3' stump jumpers, blade sets, and assorted parts. He threw in 2 stripped out OMNI gear boxes (just like the one from my KeenKutter). I cut the gear box off of these, annealed the spindles, machined the base castings... they became the mower spindles! I used 1/4" plywood templates to guide my plasma cutter to shape the housing. I needed 2 driven sheaves with a specific diameter and offset to make it all work.

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In another life, I was a wood patternmaker at Caterpillar. It's been 40 years since I've turned a pattern but i remember how! Two sheaves were cast in nodular iron at a nearby foundry. They were machined in my shop to receive 2- HB kevlar belts.

Just like we used to design finish mowers, I started with no baffles underneath.... and just like every conventional rotation 2 spindle mower I've ever seen: the front spindle wanted to hand off all of its discharge to the back spindle! Baffles were needed. I started adding baffled using cardboard and duct tape and testing until the cutter started to behave. Then the baffles were reproduced in steel.

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Bumper guards and chains were added at the end. How does it work???

Testing: Ok... I LOVE this thing! My 20hp tractor handles the 6' cutter just like it was my old 5' but with better cut quality!

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One note: with the mower shifted to the right (to back-sweep tire tracks) you gain a 1 foot bonus trim section on the right of the tractor! Huge improvement. Time to cut the field is half of what used to be. I hired the kid across the road (just out of film school) to shoot some video last year. It was the first mow of the season so the field was tall and extra wimpy.(tough to cut well).


Somebody needs to make this design. What do you think?
 
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Looks good. I thought you might try having counter rotating spindles. You might have to reinforce your baffles of you're cutting saplings, or in stumps and rocks.
 
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Dado
I suspect cost would be driving factor on if this concept is accepted.
Unquestionably the dual spindle will be more expensive and the 5 or 6 foot market is probably made up of people being cost conscious since an implement they may use 2 or 3 times a year.

I 100% agree that having the wheel track spring back up is super irritating.
 
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Looks good. I thought you might try having counter rotating spindles. You might have to reinforce your baffles of you're cutting saplings, or in stumps and rocks.
Certainly considered it. I designed several finish mowers for Euro market with counter rotating blades... both directions (wax on/wax off). Has some advantages. Typically though, cut quality goes down. Air speed under the housing goes way up and lift is lost in the between blade region. Also, Fred Cain only makes CCW swing blades.

I added A LOT of section in the pockets ;<)

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I've often thought an offset finish or rotary mower would be ideal for reaching under trees, ditches and fences.

Some flails are offset, and are interesting, but not many rotary or finish mowers are.

Thoughtful concept and it looks like you fabricated it very well!
 
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Love it! Did you by any chance experiment with setting the deck at different angles? It looks like you are running with a forward rake (per normal procedure), but I wonder if it might cut even better level or with rearward rake. My grass is tall, but thin and rather sparse, so I can get away with a rearward rake and it chops up the clippings a little better.

Also would like to see the results cutting a bit higher. I like to leave my "pasture" a little high so it can handle hot dry weather better, so I cut at about 8". You might be able to get a smoother cut especially for video purposes.

That offset would be handy for me on that first pass along the fence line. I have triple wheel weights and they awfully close to the fence posts. Only problem for me is, I always go clockwise and I'm just too old to change my ways.... :)
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Agree with the frustration of leaving grass sticking up with a normal cutter. I have to overlap a lot to try to get a cleaner cut with my RC1060, but doesn't help much. I know, "If it is that big a deal, use a finish mower", but as mentioned, I like to leave the grass 8" or so...

You are an amazing fabricator. Bravo!
 
   / Hybrid Rotary Cutter Proof of Concept #9  
My F-935 with a front mount 76" triple spindle rear discharge deck makes it thru tall grass, hay, twigs and shrubs without a complaint. Seems like existing front mount systems can do a decent job. A key ingredient to getting it done is spindle rpm and sharp blades.
 
   / Hybrid Rotary Cutter Proof of Concept #10  
Hi,
Background: Here is a project I started about 2 years ago. Since I retired (2016) I've wanted to build a rotary cutter that addressed the issues I find in the typical single spindle cutter. For years now I mow about 4 acres of field and the ditches to my lane. I mow about 3x year; sometimes cutting 24" grass to 4" hoc. I mow with a JD 2520 (20hp pto) and a Frontier 5' cutter (I've tried others too). I retired from Deere after 25 years of designing tractors and finish mowers.

The problem: The problem with the single spindle cutter is cut quality; it just doesn't pickup tire tracks! The Frontier RC2060 runs CCW. The tractor pushes the grass forward in the tracks and mashes it down. The LH side of the cutter back sweeps the tire track and cuts well. The RH side aligns the forward sweep of the blade to the tire track and cuts very poorly. After several days, the RH tire track stands back up almost uncut. To combat this, minimal overlap is applied when cutting (essentially keeping the RH tires OUT of the high grass). I only cut about 2 1/2' of a 5' cutter to get acceptable cut quality. Drives me crazy!

The concept: twin spindle cutter, conventional CCW rotation, offset spindles, with mower shifted to the right so BOTH blades back-sweep the tire tracks! Given that I only have a 20hp PTO tractor, a priority was given to power reduction as well. With the tire tracks being mechanically swept up, a lower tip speed could be used as well as a medium lift blade. Impact cutting starts at about 12000fpm tip speed (going lower just "combs" the grass). I targeted this mower at 13,500fpm. 1" rake was designed in so the cut material would release and not recirculate saving power.

The build: I started by purchasing a used, beatup KeenKutter 3pt finish mower. It was junk! I did save the gear box and mounting. Trinkets were cut off of the deck and scrapped. Sheet steel was added to the rear of the mower.

View attachment 3717293
You can see the yellow outline of the original 72" mower. What made this concept possible for me was that Fred Cain (small manufacturer in KY) makes a 3' CCW rotary cutter. I bought 2 of his 3' stump jumpers, blade sets, and assorted parts. He threw in 2 stripped out OMNI gear boxes (just like the one from my KeenKutter). I cut the gear box off of these, annealed the spindles, machined the base castings... they became the mower spindles! I used 1/4" plywood templates to guide my plasma cutter to shape the housing. I needed 2 driven sheaves with a specific diameter and offset to make it all work.

View attachment 3717294

In another life, I was a wood patternmaker at Caterpillar. It's been 40 years since I've turned a pattern but i remember how! Two sheaves were cast in nodular iron at a nearby foundry. They were machined in my shop to receive 2- HB kevlar belts.

Just like we used to design finish mowers, I started with no baffles underneath.... and just like every conventional rotation 2 spindle mower I've ever seen: the front spindle wanted to hand off all of its discharge to the back spindle! Baffles were needed. I started adding baffled using cardboard and duct tape and testing until the cutter started to behave. Then the baffles were reproduced in steel.

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Bumper guards and chains were added at the end. How does it work???

Testing: Ok... I LOVE this thing! My 20hp tractor handles the 6' cutter just like it was my old 5' but with better cut quality!

View attachment 3717986
One note: with the mower shifted to the right (to back-sweep tire tracks) you gain a 1 foot bonus trim section on the right of the tractor! Huge improvement. Time to cut the field is half of what used to be. I hired the kid across the road (just out of film school) to shoot some video last year. It was the first mow of the season so the field was tall and extra wimpy.(tough to cut well).


Somebody needs to make this design. What do you think?
Beautiful work!
(y)

Put that thing out front and you won't run over the grass before mowing it. ;)

 

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