Investments strategy with new administration?

   / Investments strategy with new administration? #201  
Reminds me of speaking with a local resource management professional who was advocating for a certain set of behaviors and processes on our place to "restore the land to its historic condition". When I asked whether she meant 1810, or 1510, or 12,000BC she did not have an answer. But between the climatic variations, changes in apex predators, invasive species, (plants, insects, and animals), it struck me then, and now, as a terribly wooly concept on her part. I'm all for not degrading the land, and improving the ecological stability and diversity of local species, especially in the face of forced changes, but using a fundamentally unknowable point as a target, uh, no thanks.

All the best,

Peter
When we talk about “historical reference conditions” the date era is defined as the period of time before intensive European settlement altered the natural environment. Whether or not restoration to these conditions is desirable from the owner’s perspective is a different question.
 
   / Investments strategy with new administration? #202  
I recently read that the entire population of North America is estimated to have been between about 4-18 million people before 1492. Today, it's estimated at 618,000,000 people.

The notion that the peoples that lived in the pacific northwest used controlled burns to prevent forest fires is ludicrous. They more than likely used slash and burn to make food plots or drive animals at best.

Now that the area is heavily populated, there's no choice but to remove the fuel load in the forest on a regular basis. But it should in no way be considered a natural process at the rates it's going to have to be done to save human life and property.
Correct. But much of the drier western forests were naturally maintained/regulated by low severity lighting strike fires on a periodic basis. In fact dendrochronolgy studies have shown that ponderosa pine forests in the interior west experienced these lightning fires on average once every decade.
 
   / Investments strategy with new administration? #203  
I'm sure that you are right that the intent was better food, or better hunting areas, or a combination thereof. I wasn't meaning to imply that the idea was wildfire control.

I've been in areas where there was no control, and the only option is "run". One gets better, if not good, at keeping a weather eye for suspicious smoke or clouds. "Know your closest exit at all times" certainly applies.

All the best,

Peter
One of my biggest concerns is a careless smoker tossing a butt in the dry grass along the highway near our forest during a drought. It's a beautifully healthy forest with about 20,000 trees of mixed hardwoods and pines. 9-10 species of oaks, hickory, butternut, walnut, tulip poplar, black locust by the thousands, cherry, sassafras, white pines... tons of shrubs, crab apple, etc around the edge. Been working on it since 1989. I try and keep the grass mowed along the highway as best I can.
 
   / Investments strategy with new administration? #204  
On the land is always valuable topic;

Basically as the aquifer dries up land values are plummeting to perhaps 25% of just a few years ago.

A property that our family once owned has had its value plummet as an upstream plating company dumped PFAS in to a tributary, contaminating the rivers and lakes downstream, and making the fish not safe for human consumption.

Look at what Maine is dealing with sludge that was used to fertilize fields.

Lots of ways for things to go sideways, outside of the owner's control.

All the best,

Peter
Wife and I looked at a cottage on a nice looking lake last year in the spring. Took a look at it on google earth in a late summer view. Completely covered in algae. Investigation revealed about 15 miles upstream from where the feeder creek enters the lake, an industrial plant of some sort had been sued for contamination of the creek, a couple lakes downstream, and a bunch of other stuff. The fish in the lake had a do not consume warning from the state. Houses on the lake were selling for cheap, and that's how we found out why. Sad.
 
   / Investments strategy with new administration? #205  
One of my biggest concerns is a careless smoker tossing a butt in the dry grass along the highway near our forest during a drought. It's a beautifully healthy forest with about 20,000 trees of mixed hardwoods and pines. 9-10 species of oaks, hickory, butternut, walnut, tulip poplar, black locust by the thousands, cherry, sassafras, white pines... tons of shrubs, crab apple, etc around the edge. Been working on it since 1989. I try and keep the grass mowed along the highway as best I can.
Mowed grass doesn’t carry fire very well even if it’s dry.
 
   / Investments strategy with new administration? #206  
That’s not true in all cases. Much of the western coniferous forests do not convert back to coniferous forests after high severity fires. When seed trees are removed in 100k acre patches, these types convert to grass or brush and may stay that way for decades/centuries.
Eventually.... May..... Decades..... Centuries.... all undeterminable time periods. But some day, it'll go back to what its supposed to be, probably centuries after people are gone.
 
   / Investments strategy with new administration? #207  
Mowed grass doesn’t carry fire very well even if it’s dry.
I know. If I don't mow it, the state MAY mow it once a summer. It'll get 5' high sometimes. Dry as a bone. There have been a few fires along that highway over the years within a mile of the place. Fortunately, we have very responsive fire departments. Several were undermined (probably smokers) and a few were car fires.
 
   / Investments strategy with new administration? #208  
Eventually.... May..... Decades..... Centuries.... all undeterminable time periods. But some day, it'll go back to what its supposed to be, probably centuries after people are gone.
Hopefully. We don’t have examples of large seedless areas of conifers regenerating over the past century following high severity fire. Everywhere we see regeneration, there are live seed trees.
 
   / Investments strategy with new administration? #209  
I know. If I don't mow it, the state MAY mow it once a summer. It'll get 5' high sometimes. Dry as a bone. There have been a few fires along that highway over the years within a mile of the place. Fortunately, we have very responsive fire departments. Several were undermined (probably smokers) and a few were car fires.
Keep mowing it. On every running grass fire I’ve seen, the fire moves around mowed areas and doesn’t carry through those areas.
 
   / Investments strategy with new administration? #210  
Hopefully. We don’t have examples of large seedless areas of conifers regenerating over the past century following high severity fire. Everywhere we see regeneration, there are live seed trees.
Aren't lodgepole pines like the ones that burned in 1988 Yellowstone fire conifers? When we were there in the early 80s, the place was full of regrowth. They said the fires opened the pinecones.

Then there's this....

Maybe I'm not on the same page as you? :(
 

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