EV owners of today and tomorrow

[Gale Hawkins]

"ICE makers?" The article is mostly focused on Honda and Nissan, both of whom were EV pioneers, and both of whom currently make many EV's. Heck, Honda made the first ever production hybrid, 25 years ago with that silly Insight, before companies like Tesla were even a dream. Nissan was one of the first to make a really big investment in BEVs with the LEAF, back in 2010!

It's interesting that mergers are predicted, and movement away from ICE's to various EV tech's may be a factor, but these companies shouldn't be classed as just "ICE makers".

Why do you think Nissan physically failed to build technically and financially successful EVS after all these 15+ years of trying? In Honda's case they have not even really tried so there's no surprise they do not have a high volume financially successful EV business today.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

https://www.reuters.com/world/china/beijing-unveils-plans-boost-driverless-vehicle-use-capital-2024-12-31/

The Chinese government is setting up the regulations so Tesla and other car makers can start testing self driving cars in China.

 

[WinterDeere]

Why do you think Nissan physically failed to build technically and financially successful EVS after all these 15+ years of trying? In Honda's case they have not even really tried so there's no surprise they do not have a high volume financially successful EV business today.

I wasn't debating "why", or exactly how profitable each were, only that both of these brands make EV's.

 

[Grumpycat]

It's interesting that mergers are predicted, and movement away from ICE's to various EV tech's may be a factor, but these companies shouldn't be classed as just "ICE makers".

Nissan has proven themselves unwilling to make a good EV, only the most recent designs have added liquid cooling to the battery. Something serious EV makers recognized as necessary from the start.

While the Honda Insight was the first mass produced hybrid, it used Honda's lazy Integrated Motor Assist system, a pancake electric motor bolted to the flywheel of the ICE. ICE had to spin at same speed per MPH with or without electric power assist. GM tried something similar by making the alternator into a motor/generator that could source 20 HP or so. Let them sell the Same Old Thing to some markets as a Hybrid.

Toyota Prius was the first serious mass produced hybrid.

Struggling Nissan is hoping to work their way out of their current struggles making old tech relatively simple ICE power plants and transmissions. Finding a small audience of buyers who will accept lower MPG for a simpler engine, one they think they understand and can repair. See Scotty on YouTube.

 

[Grumpycat]

I wasn't debating "why", or exactly how profitable each were, only that both of these brands make EV's.

Barely. They might have garden patches behind their factories for workers to grow vegetables. That doesn't make them farmers.

 

[shooterdon]

I wasn't debating "why", or exactly how profitable each were, only that both of these brands make EV's.

Why do you even bother with Gale. He is committed to proving EVs are the second coming of Christ and Musk/Telsa are the only ones who can save us from evil.

 

[WinterDeere]

Why do you even bother with Gale. He is committed to proving EVs are the second coming of Christ and Musk/Telsa are the only ones who can save us from evil.

lol… I like Gale, even if we have two very different perspectives on the world.

Heck, anyone here who can have a conversation or debate from opposing views, without resorting to yelling and name calling, is good in my book!

 

[drssg]

https://www.reuters.com/world/china/beijing-unveils-plans-boost-driverless-vehicle-use-capital-2024-12-31/

The Chinese government is setting up the regulations so Tesla and other car makers can start testing self driving cars in China.

Better them than us. They have plenty of people in China and a willingness to sacrifice a few for the "greater good."

 

[Grumpycat]

https://www.reuters.com/world/china/beijing-unveils-plans-boost-driverless-vehicle-use-capital-2024-12-31/

The Chinese government is setting up the regulations so Tesla and other car makers can start testing self driving cars in China.

A life isn’t worth much to the Chinese Communist Party.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

Poorest US state rivals Germany: GDP per capita in US and Europe

Mississippi, the poorest state in the United States, is close to surpassing Europe's largest economy Germany's GDP per capita. Euronews Business compares US states with European countries.

www.euronews.com

I can see why EV sales are down in Germany if the Ukraine war has put the country of Germany economically on the level of Mississippi. Other news makes it sound like Volkswagen is on the ropes as well. It sounds like all the major names in Germany autos are more or less pulling out of China because of their steep losses, which was their main profit center for decades.