EV owners of today and tomorrow

[Gale Hawkins]

Why GM, Toyota and VW will crash!

 

[tradosaurus]

You have proven yourself not smart enough to intelligently back anything you have said. I no longer believe your Tesla is blue.

You and Darkblack need to find an issue you can agree upon. ‍

 

[NoTrespassing]

NASA finds the fuel that will take us to Mars in 45 days: It's better than hydrogen and plasma

NASA's nuclear propulsion breakthrough promises Mars trips in 45 days. Combining nuclear and plasma systems boosts efficiency, safety, and interplanetary mission success.

www.riazor.org

A fuel to help deliver the Cyber trucks to their intended destination of Mars.

They can all go there as far as I'm concerned

 

[Gale Hawkins]

They can all go there as far as I'm concerned

I think it is at least 2 years away from happening. Launch Windows to Mars only happen every couple years I understand.

 

[WinterDeere]

If it wasn't for government intrusion and tax money along with their collusion and intimidation there would be almost zero hybrids or EV's.

You said "almost", but I don't know if you mean by model count or sales numbers. Toyota has sold over 3 million Prius cars, only 35% of which came to North America (that includes USA, Canada, Mexico, etc.). It was introduced prior to EV incentives, and most of their sales are outside of the USA.

Tesla would also exist, and likely still be successful, but I will agree that incentives probably helped sway many buyers their way.

As to many others, I agree, government money was a major factor. But it's also a major factor in oil pricing, and where traditional ICE's are built. So, unwinding both sides to a point of comparing on a level playing field is always going to be nearly impossible to accomplish without some claimed bias.

 

[NoTrespassing]

You said "almost", but I don't know if you mean by model count or sales numbers. Toyota has sold over 3 million Prius cars, only 35% of which came to North America (that includes USA, Canada, Mexico, etc.). It was introduced prior to EV incentives, and most of their sales are outside of the USA.

Tesla would also exist, and likely still be successful, but I will agree that incentives probably helped sway many buyers their way.

As to many others, I agree, government money was a major factor. But it's also a major factor in oil pricing, and where traditional ICE's are built. So, unwinding both sides to a point of comparing on a level playing field is always going to be nearly impossible to accomplish without some claimed bias.

Carbon offsets and CAFE standards also played a huge roll in the success of Tesla.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

Carbon offsets and CAFE standards also played a huge roll in the success of Tesla.

As did GM Ford and Chrysler but they just didn't have the brain power to make it happen and their CEOs did not work 100 hour weeks in the shop.

Honda Nissan being forced together is not likely to bring any EV competition to the marketplace. And we know Volkswagen is on the ropes as is all the others in Germany. Tesla does not any competitors outside of China showing any interest in competing. There's not any US car maker or any German car maker that can compete with Tesla on price and features.

Sooner or later One or more Chinese EV makers will build plants here as the Japanese back out overtime. It will be a different world in 2050.

 

[NoTrespassing]

As did GM Ford and Chrysler but they just didn't have the brain power to make it happen and their CEOs did not work 100 hour weeks in the shop.

Honda Nissan being forced together is not likely to bring any EV competition to the marketplace. And we know Volkswagen is on the ropes as is all the others in Germany. Tesla does not any competitors outside of China showing any interest in competing. There's not any US car maker or any German car maker that can compete with Tesla on price and features.

Sooner or later One or more Chinese EV makers will build plants here as the Japanese back out overtime. It will be a different world in 2050.

The bold above is just false. GM, Ford, and Chrysler were at a disadvantage as soon as carbon offset legislation was passed and CAFE standardswere raised to an unattainable level. Their products produce CO2 after all. I guess you would have those companies stop producing their products and switch over to EVs instantly to avoid the penalties imposed.

 

[Grumpycat]

The bold above is just false. GM, Ford, and Chrysler were at a disadvantage as soon as carbon offset legislation was passed and CAFE standardswere raised to an unattainable level. Their products produce CO2 after all. I guess you would have those companies stop producing their products and switch over to EVs instantly to avoid the penalties imposed.

Those standards did not come to be without Detroit’s permission and greed eying grants and other free money to make the change.

Is just that reality kicked in and they found EVs are not so simple as buying batteries and electric motors to slap in existing factory product lines.

Tesla doesn’t qualify for the factory retrofit easy money.

 

[WM75Guy]

Just received notice from my electric co-op of a rate increase coming 04/01/25. Also was a notice about a public hearing to address member comments about one of the new federal mandates from the 2021 Infrastructure and Jobs Act requiring states to develop policies to facilitate wider adoption of EV charging through favorable rates and infrastructure development, or as the co-op described it "promotion of electric vehicles". One goal is to make EV charging accessible to all consumers, regardless of income levels, by promoting fair pricing structures. Sounds like those without an EV will have to help pay for folks with an EV to be able to charge their vehicle. Applies to all states, not just Texas.