Tractors and (upcoming) tariffs?

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   / Tractors and (upcoming) tariffs? #191  
I suspect the tariff on Mexican goods coming to us is more about Mexico doing it's part in curtailing the flow of Illegals than anything else. It's a lever so to speak to curtail that influx. We cannot keep on going on with the illegals coming into this country, no matter what country they originated from.

I suspect that Tom Homan will put a crimp on it, one way or another. In reality it's not just the southern border either. Our border with Canada is also suspect.
 
   / Tractors and (upcoming) tariffs? #192  
It appears we are soon going to have tariffs of 20% and more on anything imported from anywhere.

What does this mean for us here at TBN?

Unless tractors, accessories, attachments and parts get an exemption ("necessary services" or something), prices of imported tractors are going to go up by at least 20%. If we finance, payments will go up, since the tractors cost more, insurance (if applicable) will also go up.

Prices for used tractors will also go up (as if they aren't high enough already), just like the prices of used cars rose almost in lock-step with the increased prices and limited availability (from Covid) did on new cars.

As tractors become more and more expensive, we will either keep what we have longer or if we are in a business that relies on tractors, we will have to raise our prices when tractors and parts become significantly more expensive. Fewer tractors will be sold, because WE don't get a 20% raise to compensate for the 20% price increase from the tariffs.

Anyone who uses a tractor as a service (land clearing, mowing, etc.) will also have to raise their prices because their costs just increased.

This all means higher prices for lots of people, many of whom don't even realize there is a tractor somewhere in the "food chain" of goods and services they buy.

This affects Kubota, Kioti, Mahindra, some John Deere, and others. Deere moved part of their production to Mexico to keep the retail price down, and if they decide to come back, their prices will have to go up.

The issues with across the board tariffs are that they increase the cost of anything imported and WE pay these tariffs, not the manufacturers. Tariffs are a tax on US, and they are intended to discourage us from buying imported things, whether or not those things are even produced or available domestically.

A further problem is that when a domestic manufacturer is protected by arbitrary tariffs, they have ZERO incentive to improve their products (because there is no competition) and their prices can rise (again, because there is no competition). You may recall the "invasion" of Japanese cars in the 80s - Detroit had become totally complacent, and protected by tariffs, continued making and selling the same crappy cars they had been making for years. Eventually, they all went broke and had to be bailed out by the government, using OUR tax dollars to do it. (Yes, they eventually paid back most of the loans, and lots of jobs were saved. We may have to do it again because the current crop of Chinese electric cars are very good indeed, and amazingly inexpensive because they often are subsidized by their government.)

Arbitrary tariffs are a mistake. There is, however a rationale for targeted tariffs. If an overseas company is "dumping" their product at or below cost to put a domestic competitor out of business, that is a legitimate reason for a tariff. Interestingly, if it two domestic companies engage in a price war, there is no law against that, and in fact, it happens all the time.

After WW2, the US was the only real market for anything, nobody else had any money and they were busy rebuilding from the war. Now, however, there are lots of countries that can afford to buy imported stuff, and it might be very tempting to a tractor manufacturer (and not just to tractor manufacturers) to abandon what they see as a "hostile" market and sell to customers around the world instead.

Some of them MAY establish factories here, as Honda and Toyota have done, but some of them are simply going to say the US market just isn't worth the trouble and sell elsewhere. Establishing a local factory isn't done overnight, either.

In the interim, we'll have higher prices (new and used) and a narrower selection.

There is an old Chinese curse - "May you live in interesting times." We do.

(Kevlar and fireproof suit on!)

Best Regards,
Mike/Florida
You need to buy new equipment every year? You are kind of tough on your tools maybe you should learn how to use them correctly. A tractor should last a decade with proper maintenance many lasting a lifetime. Retrain your staff to change the oil at least once every generation or before the turn of the next century. Your post is comical, if you have a business, your tax accountant can steer you in the right direction. You need a better education on tax strategies and cost mitigation.
 
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   / Tractors and (upcoming) tariffs? #195  
Woke up this morning to read that the Mexican President has agreed to stop the migrants crossing into the US through her country.
It was an easy step for her, mostly because it was taken about a year ago.
Mexico Border
 
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   / Tractors and (upcoming) tariffs? #196  
Care to provide a substantiating link to your comment (other than the X link which says nothing about what you allude to). Don't read between the lines. Doing that is tantamount to just observation.

If Mexico does have some sort of law in place, they certainly not enforcing it from what I see.
 
   / Tractors and (upcoming) tariffs? #197  
I remember traveling through the Midwest and seeing many soybean fields being plowed under instead of being harvested.
When? Time of the year and where? I live and travel there a lot. I don’t recall seeing that happen. Are you sure they were harvestable soy beans and not cover crops or residual new growth?
 
   / Tractors and (upcoming) tariffs? #198  
The buckets (5g) of gravel I bought the other day - only needed a little bit - were sold at the same price as when I bought buckets 10 years ago!
Ergo, there's no inflation.

*snicker*
(I suspect they pretty much don't care about the cost of buckets of gravel at the plant, they can't give it away for free so the $1 is a "uh... how about a dollar" price they chose once and such a minuscule quantity is sold that way that it doesn't make even a hundredth of a percent of difference to the bottom line)
Those $1 buckets of stone likely funded the coffee and donuts. On paper they never existed.
 
   / Tractors and (upcoming) tariffs? #199  
Never seen that either though Soybeans are a legume crop so plowing them under will add Nitrogen to the soil. Soybeans, vernal alfalfa, radishes and a few other crops enhance the N in the soil.

Around here, most producers plant hybrid wild radish as cover crops and incorporate them in the spring prior to planting.
 
   / Tractors and (upcoming) tariffs? #200  
I just cut open a sleeve of bacon this morning.
$8.99

Yeah, we got inflation under control now…. :rolleyes:
 
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