Chryslers grandson wants to save the brand

[Too many Kubotas]

Who is going to pay $65k for a 2025, if you can pick up an over stock 2024 for $45k?

Oh, there are people who must have the latest tech, and ideally the '25 looks different enough that the neighbors will notice it.

 

[paulsharvey]

Oh, there are people who must have the latest tech, and ideally the '25 looks different enough that the neighbors will notice it.

I would say that's the people all car makers have been counting on, but it's clearly a smaller % than they thought, of the total population. With average car payments of what $800+/month; there just isn't the market for I think I heard, 1.4M unsold, already made Vehicles, just for Stellantis.

 

[Renze]

I see a US Gov buy out, and shipping the existing stock overseas to keep the market stable. That way the only people to get hurt are the US people, and noone cares about them

All right but what is going to do that with the overseas markets ? The same effect you tried to avoid with taxpayers money in the US, so both the taxpayer in the US, as the vehicle retailers in the export country are going to suffer. Financially writing off on the value of capital goods that are economically the same value as before, always gets payd by everyone else in a free market.


What VW does in Europe with EVs is buy them back, scrap, and recycle, to somewhat keep up the resale value of the remaining EVs in the market, to maintain their brand image of German engineering with high resale value....

In fact the whole European EV market has crashed now government incentives are reduced, and thec market decides the ultimate resale value of EVs through price and demand.

Its not just in America that EV models are discontinued... we have the same mess here.

 

[Renze]

1.4M unsold, already made Vehicles, just for Stellantis.

Same craziness in agriculture, or raw materials like steel and lumber: After Covid lockdowns, demand soared and so did prices. Central banks (ECB as well as FED) printed too much money to accomodate such inflationary bubble, so prices rose and everybody was producing like crazy. Now we are freewheeling towards a bust.

I think Warren Buffet said there is only one way to solve inflation; Make each government that allows the budget deficit exceed 3% not egilible for reelection...

 

[Renze]

Realistically, their best bet is to transfer a lot of their debt to one brand, and bankrupt it, and let it die; allowing the remaining brands to continue, and attempt to recover.

When Italian Argos group (Owner of Landini brand) bought the Doncaster (GB) assembly plant, and the St.Dizier (Fr) transmission plant and the McCormick name from CNH because CNH became too big according to EU kartel agency and has to sell, Argos messed up their next version of the old Maxxum transmission. To solve this, all accumulated warranty claims were filed at the transmission plant before filing for bankruptcy of the manufacturing plant.

Next, Argos made Landini and McCormick siblings in the Landini factory in Italy in two colours and badges with FPT engines and German ZF transaxles.

So sometimes you dont even have to put debts in a brand, just in a business entity is enough so the brand survives.

That is, if bankruptcy laws in the country of settlement doesnt prohibit such construction...

 

[paulsharvey]

Renze, it's not that I disagree with what you're saying; and the consequences of dumping; but I think your going to see the US gov purchase a Large number of the vehicles; and they will appear for sale in areas largely dominated by Chinese cars, Malaysia, Indonesia, Vietnam, Africa; and also a large surge in US puppets. I expect to see some Ram TRX with ISIS, with a ZU-23-2 mounted in the bed, fighting in Mali, and in Myanmar.

 

[Renze]

Renze, it's not that I disagree with what you're saying; and the consequences of dumping....

Yeah i get you now... dump them in HiLux countries where there are no official (after)sales channels. But then you'd have to dump them dirt cheap to make people want unknown technology with no local knowledge about them, over a barebone HiLux export version which is common as dirt over there.

And when competing against chinese brands... wow, you might as well save on shipping by scrapping them in the USA right away and recuperate the extra materials in them, vs Chinese trucks... The Chinese are building tomorrows scrap, and are priced accordingly...

 

[Hay Dude]

Oh, there are people who must have the latest tech, and ideally the '25 looks different enough that the neighbors will notice it.

I am hearing more than just tech.
Might be a ZF-8 transmission behind the Cummins, but that’s just a rumor.

 

[Too many Kubotas]

I am hearing more than just tech.
Might be a ZF-8 transmission behind the Cummins, but that’s just a rumor.

After seeing photos of the new one, I like my touchscreen-free '17 even more.

And so far the proven Aisin has been flawless for me. If I had to order a new Ram it hopefully won't be within the first year or two of a new transmission.

Of course, that 8-speed may not come in 4500 and 5500 models, which would most likely be my next Ram anyway.

 

[DarkBlack]

I think your going to see the US gov purchase a Large number of the vehicles; and they will appear for sale in areas largely dominated by Chinese cars, Malaysia, Indonesia, Vietnam, Africa; and also a large surge in US puppets.

Doubt it, since Malaysia and Indonesia use vehicles built for driving on the left side of the road.