How much do you care about pre emissions

[2manyrocks]

While regen is going on I don't have to do a thing differently - just keep on working. I don't know of any tractor that makes you stop what you are doing and sit there running the engine at high rpm to do a regen procedure.

Doesn't matter if a regeneration happens while I'm mowing one of the flat fields so much, but it does make a difference if I am on a hillside slope and don't want the tractor thinking for itself when it comes to RPM.

 

[MarkMac]

Given the choice of equal price; would anyone choose a 10+ year old machine, over a brand new one, just because of emissions?

I’d buy a 10+ year old model if it were new. I wouldn’t pay new price for a 10 year old used tractor.

I bought a 25hp compact tractor specifically to avoid emissions. A 25hp does what I need, and twice a week I use it for 12 minutes total. That short duty cycle would likely wreak havoc to a modern emission system.

My 2018 Cummins I bought new has intact emissions, and it’s been flawless. But I pull either a 3-horse trailer or a tritoon boat on the weekend, usually 45 miles each way. It gets a good long duty cycle under steady load. I’ve never noticed a regen. It handles everything in the background while I have the cruise control set on the freeway. My Cummins has never been, nor will ever be, a daily driver or a grocery getter. I have other vehicles I use for short trips.

I think the key is to understand how the systems work and be true to your needs and anticipated usage.

 

[5030]

Illinois does not do emissions checks everywhere. I’ve lived here my entire life and ever had one. The Chicago area does from what I know.

I've gassed up when visiting my cousin in New Lennox and the gas station I fueled at actually had shrouds over the filler nozzles to catch the fumes and they were a PITA as well.

 

[5030]

Compact tractors have no place on this farm. Closest I come to that is the Kubota gas side by side I have my spray rig in and I pull the Tine harrow to set my alfalfa overseeding with in the spring. Nice thing about vernal alfalfa is it propagates naturally unlike Round Up ready alfalfa that spreads uncontrollably and cannot be eliminated.

 

[ultrarunner]

I've gassed up when visiting my cousin in New Lennox and the gas station I fueled at actually had shrouds over the filler nozzles to catch the fumes and they were a PITA as well.

I thought those are everywhere...?

Been standard here for decades... SF Bay Area.

 

[5030]

Not here in Michigan or none I've ever seen here, but then Michigan don't do emissions certifications to renew tags anyway. Most of the jalopies out here would never pass anyway. I constantly find lost auto parts and tools in the roadside ditches in front of the farm. People around here loose mufflers and Cats and just keep on driving. I even found a tire and rim once. Person was probably loaded and kept on trucking on the brake drum. Gravel / dirt roads take their toll when driven at warp speed. When I have to go anywhere, my top speed on the unpaved roads is 20 mph and if they want to go around me, I'm good with that. I even stop until the dust cloud dissipates. I drive my tractors at the same speed when traversing the roads to get to my off farm fields. They will top out at about 25 but 20 is my magic number. I collect ditch deposited beer cans as well. Here they have a 10 cent deposit on them and I've collected and redeemed hundreds of them over the years.

 

[newbury]

I'm definitely in the "Limit emissions" group. I grew up in the 60's and 70's in the Burlington, Vt. area. That was when smog started to hit.
From about 6th grade on the school I was in in Essex Center would take the "upper grades" to Ethan Allen Park for a beginning of the summer field trip. The park

has a neat "fort" and the view from the top gives a LONG look down the Champlain Valley.

As soon as we were old enough we would climb up to the top and look down the valley. As I grew older the view was decreased by pollution. By the early 1970's during periods of calm air in the summer we could actually see like a fog of pollution rolling up the valley.

Then I joined the Army in '75, moved to Northern Virginia. Air pollution down here was so bad that we started having "smog days" by about 1979. Then it got better for a LONG time due to emissions equipment on cars.

What I think is unfair about all the emissions stuff is that I can run my 7.3L F350 (15MPG) and pollute all over, but if my Escape (~30MPG) burps it may not pass emissions.

 

[5030]

Interesting. I get 22 unladen out of my full Banks equipped forged rod 7.3 in my 1997 Ford CC 4wd I bought new in 97 and will never sell it. No rust either. It's never been in Michigan snow. They built trucks back then, unlike today's tinfoil trucks. Has a real full ladder frame and sits on real leaf springs that cause a tank like ride with nothing in the bed.... lol

 

[5030]

I get 40 out of my 18 Focus RS so long as I keep my foot off of the fuel pedal. I tend to drive on cruise as much as possible and interestingly, I get my best mileage in the summer with the climate control on... I get it up on the turbo and the mileage goes south real quick. The emissions hardware has never caused me any issue, ever. The auto makers have successfully integrated it into their gas motors I'd say, unlike Diesel tractors that are post 4 compliant.

Being an old fart I rarely get on it, but if I do it's quite capable of triple numbers on a freeway on ramp.

350 horses in a roller skate equals a supercar with a 6 speed close ratio manual trans. Gets rubber in the first 4 gears too, not that I do it often, I don't. The low aspect speed rated tires are super expensive but it's there, lurking under the hood.

Nice thing about it is, here in Michigan, it insures as a normal Ford Focus hatchback economy car so insurance is cheap, relatively speaking. Has nice Recaro bucket seats and comes with a 3 point harness as well.

My wife was not happy when I bought it off lease but she's calmed down over the years I've had it and I just do normal upkeep on it other than it's a GDI engine with no pilot jets in the intakes to keep the intake valves clean and carbon free, so I run Sea Foam top end engine cleaner through it every time I change to oil at 5K miles. I have over 80K trouble free miles on it now. Just changed the serpentine belts to Gates Fleetrunner belts. Quite a chore as you have to remove the right inner fender well to access the ac compressor belt. One of Ford's 'better ideas' and it's what they call a stretchy belt so no idler either and it requires a special tool to remove and replace it. What a chore....

 

[Williy]

Many years ago a lawyer had the emsisions equip rem;oved
from his Chrysler then had it inspected it met the spec's for
15 years down the road. He did this because his car stunk
up the neighborhood it smelled like sulfur from his car. So
his car didn't need the emissions equipment why do we need
that crap on the vehicles that produce more letheal fumes
burns more gas etc??? Then again why is it that the American
tax payer is forced to clean up the world polutions at our expense? Why not force other countries like China for example to clean up their act??????????

willy