Have we been doing it wrong? High rpm's bad when not needed?

   / Have we been doing it wrong? High rpm's bad when not needed? #51  
I'm not so much concerned about the regen events as I am about the ash buildup that WILL occur over time. Hopefully, that crap is easy to clean out with water when the time comes.
It's not actually. Once the DPF cannister accumulates sufficient burned ash to trigger the sensor and cause a dash light to illuminate (and they all will at some point), the tractor must go to a dealer and the element in the cannister MUST be removed and cleaned (or replaced) in accordance with EPA approved procedure as the ash is considered a hazardous substance and must be disposed of correctly in an approved landfill. Therein lies the rub. If there is any damage to the substrate, the element must be replaced and you as the end user CANNOT replace it and/or reset the ECM to extinguish the light. Been my experience with big trucks, that at least 75% of the substrate elements have damage that precludes cleaning them so they must be replaced. Good part is, the element should not need renewed or cleaned for many rears under normal use. What normal use (definition) is is a crapshoot. I do know that Kubota says it's 1300 regens, other manufacturers, I have no idea.

Bottom line is, it's not a user serviceable item and the end user cannot reset the ECM either. If you keep the tractor long enough, you will have to have an authorized dealer perform the service.
 
   / Have we been doing it wrong? High rpm's bad when not needed? #52  
I'm in the use-only-whay-ya-need camp, and sometimes what ya need does take some rpms. Top of the list for me is the Phoenix/Sicma reverse rotation tiller on first tilling of the season. I love the way it tills, as it turns all but the biggest rocks back under, but dragging those tines forward while they're churning backwards takes some. After I learned the machine better, I realized I could cut the rpm down to about two-thirds the mfr.'s suggestion (6C) and still get the same results - just go slower; usually the 400-500 rpm range is sufficient. The one time I was WFO was to chain-drag a huge rock from my neighbor's property to mine. It was way too big to lift, but I wanted it for a dam I was building. It also required low/low and 4WD.
 
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   / Have we been doing it wrong? High rpm's bad when not needed? #53  
Dpf is normally not the failure

It's the EGR rotting thru filling the engine with coolant grading the block that is
 
   / Have we been doing it wrong? High rpm's bad when not needed? #54  
Fuel dilution in lube oil when analyzed by a competent lab like Blackstone for instance is a sure sign of either worn rings or injector issues, neither of which I have with either of my pre-4 Kubota M9's and why I'd be very hesitant when buying a used machine, especially one with excessive hours on it and / or no supplied with maintenance records. My OS M9, I bought used from a JD dealer of all things, but it came with not only the original owners manual and the shop manual (which I didn't need because I already have one), but it came with dated service records, right down to the brand of lube oil and gearbox oil installed as well, plus all the filters had the change hours painted on them in paint pen, which is something I do as well as it gives me a quick visual reference as to pending service time. In reality I would not be at all hesitant to purchase a post 4 tractor if I required one, which I don't as both my pre 4 tractors run flawlessly but I would wait until the manufacturers work all the bugs out of them and in my case, for the power I require, they would not only be SCR units but DEF injection as well. I believe under EPA mandate, any unit in the excess of 90 stub pto output requires DEF injection as well as Selective Catalytic Reduction (SCR) or what is now present on units above 26 stub (pto) horsepower. Keep in mind that tractors are rated (for emissions compliance with stub (pto) horsepower, not flywheel horsepower. Motor vehicles such as cars or trucks are rated at flywheel output, which is always greater than driveshaft power, usually 10% more. 10% is the rule of thumb used to take into account parasitic loss in the transmission and hydrostats are usually more than 10% as a rule because of the fluid coupling (hydrostatic drive). In my applications, where I require maximum output at times, a hydrostatic transmission won't work, I must have a conventional gearbox. The one thing I don't want is a dry clutch because many times I'm operating in a 'half clutch' situation, consequently I run tractors with wet, multiplate clutches that are basically immune to clutch plate wear from half clutch operation. My goal is to always have tractors with NO dry clutch in the bellhousing and that is exactly what my hydraulic shuttle Kubota's give me.

I can literally 'ride' the clutch pedal all day and not wear the clutch one bit. Not that I do but I could if necessary. Even with a hydrostat, you will have a dry clutch in the bellhousing that will eventually need replacement and that replacement entails splitting the unit. I don't have that issue with the hydraulic shuttle as all that is in the bellhousing is a damper plate connected to the crankshaft output flange and another plate connected to the transmission input shaft via a set of radial coil springs with the sole purpose of dampening the shock load imposed by abrupt directional changes and even those are mitigated by the proportional hydraulic valving that controls the 'lockup' pressure on the wet clutch pack that drives the gearbox and transmits power to the wheels and eventually, the ground. In reality, it's a very well engineered system that operates flawlessly and eliminates the dry clutch entirely and the hydraulic actuator valve on the side of the main gearbox also maintains optimum lockup pressure and it adjustable if required. it does require a special fitting and liquid filled pressure gage to check but I have that and when I check it, it's always within Kubota listed specification for correct lockup pressure, even on my 6000 plus hour machine.

I believe JD also offers a similar setup but they call theirs a 'power shuttle' transmission.
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No other problems that I can see. Machine does not smoke unless pushed hard to a bogging condition. No oil consumption. That was at 982 hours.
 
   / Have we been doing it wrong? High rpm's bad when not needed? #55  
It's not actually. Once the DPF cannister accumulates sufficient burned ash to trigger the sensor and cause a dash light to illuminate (and they all will at some point), the tractor must go to a dealer and the element in the cannister MUST be removed and cleaned (or replaced) in accordance with EPA approved procedure as the ash is considered a hazardous substance and must be disposed of correctly in an approved landfill. Therein lies the rub. If there is any damage to the substrate, the element must be replaced and you as the end user CANNOT replace it and/or reset the ECM to extinguish the light. Been my experience with big trucks, that at least 75% of the substrate elements have damage that precludes cleaning them so they must be replaced. Good part is, the element should not need renewed or cleaned for many rears under normal use. What normal use (definition) is is a crapshoot. I do know that Kubota says it's 1300 regens, other manufacturers, I have no idea.

Bottom line is, it's not a user serviceable item and the end user cannot reset the ECM either. If you keep the tractor long enough, you will have to have an authorized dealer perform the service.
Dunno about all that, Dealer pulled mine, soaked it overnight, flushed it with water and reinstalled. No fanfare. Did have to replace the gasket which they didn't expect or have on hand, so that was a couple day delay getting it back. They actually said cleaning them is no big deal.
 
   / Have we been doing it wrong? High rpm's bad when not needed? #56  
It's not actually. Once the DPF cannister accumulates sufficient burned ash to trigger the sensor and cause a dash light to illuminate (and they all will at some point), the tractor must go to a dealer and the element in the cannister MUST be removed and cleaned (or replaced) in accordance with EPA approved procedure as the ash is considered a hazardous substance and must be disposed of correctly in an approved landfill. Therein lies the rub. If there is any damage to the substrate, the element must be replaced and you as the end user CANNOT replace it and/or reset the ECM to extinguish the light. Been my experience with big trucks, that at least 75% of the substrate elements have damage that precludes cleaning them so they must be replaced. Good part is, the element should not need renewed or cleaned for many rears under normal use. What normal use (definition) is is a crapshoot. I do know that Kubota says it's 1300 regens, other manufacturers, I have no idea.

Bottom line is, it's not a user serviceable item and the end user cannot reset the ECM either. If you keep the tractor long enough, you will have to have an authorized dealer perform the service.
How many have you needed to replace so far?
 
   / Have we been doing it wrong? High rpm's bad when not needed? #57  
I'm a big fan of my ridiculously simple tractor, even if it is obese and under powered. Like me. 🍻
 
   / Have we been doing it wrong? High rpm's bad when not needed? #58  
I run older tractors mostly. I still do not use higher RPMs because among other things its the best way for a diesel engine to rip out a clutch under a load.....
 
   / Have we been doing it wrong? High rpm's bad when not needed? #59  
The weakest link on your tractor by far is the transaxle (especially if its HST). Engines almost always exceed the life of the tranny.

High rpms do NOT hurt an engine at all but lowers the torque put on the engine and transaxle components. High torque is what wears and breaks tractors. So error toward higher rpms for longer tractor life.
 
   / Have we been doing it wrong? High rpm's bad when not needed? #60  
It's not actually. Once the DPF cannister accumulates sufficient burned ash to trigger the sensor and cause a dash light to illuminate (and they all will at some point), the tractor must go to a dealer and the element in the cannister MUST be removed and cleaned (or replaced) in accordance with EPA approved procedure as the ash is considered a hazardous substance and must be disposed of correctly in an approved landfill. Therein lies the rub. If there is any damage to the substrate, the element must be replaced and you as the end user CANNOT replace it and/or reset the ECM to extinguish the light. Been my experience with big trucks, that at least 75% of the substrate elements have damage that precludes cleaning them so they must be replaced. Good part is, the element should not need renewed or cleaned for many rears under normal use. What normal use (definition) is is a crapshoot. I do know that Kubota says it's 1300 regens, other manufacturers, I have no idea.

Bottom line is, it's not a user serviceable item and the end user cannot reset the ECM either. If you keep the tractor long enough, you will have to have an authorized dealer perform the service.
No doubt that’s true. But it’s far enough in the future for my usage to be a negligible concern.
 

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