Buying Advice Tier V emission standards soon for new diesel engine tractors?

[Bison]

The EPA is in the pocket of WEF and the UN climatidiots.
Enough said.
Keep running pre DEF engines.

 

[onetonford]

I wonder what would happen if we forced Spacex to go to a tier on their rockets they are always launching here in California. Possibly because they couldn't get them off the ground if they did. Also I think that if they really thought to electrify our country than why not make all Eletric cars with Identical batteries that can be changed in a few minutes in a station like a gas station now. That would be better than having to pull over in some strange place only to find the charger not available or not working at all.

 

[troverman]

Best would be to not require electric cars...

 

[aircommuter]

They are cars. They want proprietary parts. EVs will be the worst in that regard. There isn’t any planning to make things like that because it’s too hard to sustain corporate profits and dividends. I like the contradictions that the government is always showing. Like reducing pollution, housing shortages but importing people. Hurry and buy an EV, next sentence says batteries prices are coming down. So why buy now? Put money into local companies, new jobs, next sentence Chinese companies are opening solar factories in the United States and numerous other foreign countries are building windmills in the United States, oh yes and car chargers some are costing $.5m each!! Go California. What a role model.

 

[spankyscamp]

If all the fires blowing east from the west coast. Then the people should be reimbursed for putting up with their pollution. All the trees that were lost, were helping with the air pollution. So removing trees by, fires, clearing ground for new construction, and so. The spaces that have vacant buildings and homes should be taken down by the previous owners of the property and the new building be put in that place. Grow new trees to help. What happens to the fines that the EPA places, where does the money go. I haven't seen any of it for having any of the fined products.

 

[Williy]

A lot of people don't understand that diet can stop
a lot of disease can be stopped by not eating or drinking
MEAT, COFFEE, SODA AND SWEETS
the first 3 items make your system acidic and cancer
can thrive in a acidic sytem and loves sweets
drinking water with lemon juice makes your system
alkaline

willy

 

[jyoutz]

I always said the same thing about the VW diesel TDI cars. When the EPA was made to look like a fool because the VW's were cheating on NOx emissions, they came down on VW like a ton of bricks to set an example. 90% of all VW TDI owners traded their car for a gas model which literally got 15-20mpg less. Did anyone do a cost-benefit analysis to see if pollution was really reduced by switching people into vehicles which burned more fuel? Of course not. The loss of those TDI's was a darn shame...nice cars to drive, and 50+ mpg highway all day.

I had one of those VW TDI cars and it was a great car. 44 mpg and it would pass anything on the road. The mpgs rarely changed: city or highways at 80 mph. But I did resell the car to VW. They offered me so much that it would have been stupid to turn it down. I had about 100k miles on the car, time to do timing belt and other maintenance. They offered me $4k less than I bought it for new.

 

[jyoutz]

A lot of people don't understand that diet can stop
a lot of disease can be stopped by not eating or drinking
MEAT, COFFEE, SODA AND SWEETS
the first 3 items make your system acidic and cancer
can thrive in a acidic sytem and loves sweets
drinking water with lemon juice makes your system
alkaline

willy

? Lemon juice is acid, not alkaline.

 

[hiddentacocatneddih]

Need one of those alkaline water machines

 

[DarkBlack]

I just perused a bunch of documents related to this upcoming tier 5 mandate, being pushed by California. It’s way, way bigger and far reaching than just adding <25hp tractor engines.


Everything to be regulated that’s considered off road

Considering even adding regulations on CO2 output. (What we exhale)

If you can’t persuade the little people, regulate what they like, out of existence. It’s so very obvious. The battery world is so heavenly, but they still feel the need to add thousands of pages of new regulations to popular power technologies, ya know…just in case you’re not convinced fast enough…

 

[OldPaint]

I've been hearing that for years, but I'm still waiting for the backlash...

Some of us are praying for it.

 

[OldPaint]

Same *** marriage, Emission Regs and Drug decriminalization are my bet for nationwide impact.

I met people who moved to California for same *** marriage and drug decriminalization.

Yet to meet anyone moving here for the clean air act...

I'll bet a few of us have met expat Californians for the same reasons, LOL. Not all of Californians are idiots. They're just a minority, and can't control what LA, San Diego, and Sacremento decide. They can't outvote the mis/dis-informed. The smartest ones tend to leave that state.

I'd guess you probably haven't met many that move there for a better cost of living or better fuel prices, either.

 

[ultrarunner]

I just perused a bunch of documents related to this upcoming tier 5 mandate, being pushed by California. It’s way, way bigger and far reaching than just adding <25hp tractor engines.


Everything to be regulated that’s considered off road

Considering even adding regulations on CO2 output. (What we exhale)

If you can’t persuade the little people, regulate what they like, out of existence. It’s so very obvious. The battery world is so heavenly, but they still feel the need to add thousands of pages of new regulations to popular power technologies, ya know…just in case you’re not convinced fast enough…

It's another we have to implement and the see how far we can go... or get away with.

The direction is clear... 100% electric all the time and electricity is good unless it comes from a hydroelectric dam.

 

[ultrarunner]

I'll bet a few of us have met expat Californians for the same reasons, LOL. Not all of Californians are idiots. They're just a minority, and can't control what LA, San Diego, and Sacremento decide. They can't outvote the mis/dis-informed. The smartest ones tend to leave that state.

I'd guess you probably haven't met many that move there for a better cost of living or better fuel prices, either.

Most I meet come for jobs... many are foreign born... still lots of AG jobs in California... although some are coming under the new healthcare for all legislation.

Where I work we attract a lot of traveling RNs and the reason is California pays the most.

The Tier standards already make the hospital generators a target for current legislation... maybe the next step is removal?

Many see California as a place to make money to spend elsewhere.

Quite a few in my circle send money home or have built or building for retirement in other countries.

No matter how impoverished the country you left things change when you return with money in your pocket or better yet a social security check.

To put in prospective a traveling RN during the pandemic earned one day in California what that same nurse would earn in a month working in some of the provinces in the Philippines.

To put it more in prospective that nurse working in the provence for little money is still earning more than her father fishing or farming in the provence.

Other states and countries have benefited greatly through the exodus of non compliant diesel equipment...

 

[onetonford]

I put solar on my shop to help with my power bill thanks to the PUC they just gave PG&E a 15% and 13% increase to their electricity. This made my bill around $460 per month. unfortunately I installed to late to get .75 per KWH now it is .25 thank you PUC I thought you were for ratepayers. It did help as I now pay a flat rate of $189 per month and so far since I use less than what goes to PG&E offsets my Natural Gas bill another thing that went up last year. and something that our governor is now trying his best to get rid of. That is why I need to hurry to get a new furnace put into this house already replaced a 31 year old water heater that was going bad anyway. The water heater that they were trying to force us to buy is a heat pump system with electric backup no thanks my Eletric bill would of went even higher gas is still cheaper for now.

 

[Skypilota72]

Most I meet come for jobs... many are foreign born... still lots of AG jobs in California... although some are coming under the new healthcare for all legislation.

Where I work we attract a lot of traveling RNs and the reason is California pays the most.

The Tier standards already make the hospital generators a target for current legislation... maybe the next step is removal?

Many see California as a place to make money to spend elsewhere.

Quite a few in my circle send money home or have built or building for retirement in other countries.

No matter how impoverished the country you left things change when you return with money in your pocket or better yet a social security check.

To put in prospective a traveling RN during the pandemic earned one day in California what that same nurse would earn in a month working in some of the provinces in the Philippines.

To put it more in prospective that nurse working in the provence for little money is still earning more than her father fishing or farming in the provence.

Other states and countries have benefited greatly through the exodus of non compliant diesel equipment...

Many of us are transplants. I was born and raised in the San Francisco Bay Area, serving 10 years in the military and 25 in law enforcement, retiring in 2005.

As all grandkids were adults, we chose a move to Eau Claire Wisconsin in 2015 for our new grandkids. We love the area, people, and lower cost of living.

California certainly had its crazies, but most were sensible people. The State was probably the most conservative in regards to fuels, emissions and smog required equipment. Liberal in all others.

 

[jyoutz]

Need one of those alkaline water machines

In most of the interior west, our water is on the alkaline side naturally.

 

[DarkBlack]

Just an FYI , Your body PH is totally different than the PH of foods. I see people all the time wrongly assuming, eating an acidic food, will make your body acidic, and vice-versa

 

[Camofurever1]

A lot of people don't understand that diet can stop
a lot of disease can be stopped by not eating or drinking
MEAT, COFFEE, SODA AND SWEETS
the first 3 items make your system acidic and cancer
can thrive in a acidic sytem and loves sweets
drinking water with lemon juice makes your system
alkaline

willy

So, unless basic chemistry has changed in say, the past 50 years, when you mix an acid and a base together, the end product is salt and water. So, if you are drinking a bunch of fluids that have a pH of greater than 7.2, and your digestive system produces hydrochloric acid, your body will neutralize the mixture and give you NaCl. I would think the NaCl would raise your blood pressure.

 

[wolc123]

I was getting sick of breathing the exhaust fumes from my pre-tier 4 43 hp diesel tractor, when I left it running at night to charge the battery with the headlights on as I filled the bucket with firewood from my woodshed, this winter.

The thought of getting a new $ 35 k tier 4 replacement crossed my mind. Maybe I’ll wait for the $ 50 k tier 5’s to come out. That might still let some particulate thru yet though, and it only takes one particle to do some lung damage.

To save my lungs, I decided to just keep my old tractor and shut it off when filling the bucket. Tough working in the dark, and I didn’t want to run down my battery. The only charge it’s been getting this winter, is when I fetch a half cord of firewood each week, since it hasn’t snowed enough to need it for plowing

Fortunately, my wife bought a new lamp for in the house and she gave me her old one. I set that up out in the woodshed. Now, all I got to do is turn it on before I shut down the tractor. Problem solved.
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I tried the new lamp for the first time tonight and it greatly exceeded my expectations. Not only did it save me from breathing any diesel fumes (I turned the tractor off while loading), but it also provided far more effective lighting for the job.

The problem with using the tractor headlights, was that the more I filled the bucket, the more light got blocked out. It also saves me some diesel fuel, by not needing to idle the tractor. I use a 75 watt eq LED bulb in the lamp, which probably draws less that 5 watts of power.

Not only was the lighting out there in the woodshed much better with the lamp, but the job was more peaceful and quiet without the annoying sound of the tractor engine running.

I’m thinking maybe I’ll install a permanent light fixture in the corner of the woodshed, with a LED floodlight style bulb, pointed inside. I stack the wood all the way to the roof inside, so there’s not room for an overhead light fixture in there. Also, there won’t be room for the free-standing light inside when the woodshed is full. The corner fixture will get around that problem.

My house porch light is visible in the background of the photo. I’ve always turned the tractor off and used that for unloading. That little porch holds about a bucket full of firewood (about 1/2 face cord).

My wood stove is just inside that porch. I don’t bring any wood in the house until it goes in the stove. That minimizes the mess inside.

This has been an extremely mild winter, up here near the Canadian border. I have stone and paved driveways from the woodshed to the porch, so I’ve been using the tractor for hauling the wood.

When the ground freezes, I carry it by hand, taking a shortcut across the lawn in between the porch and woodshed. It’s too muddy to do that when the ground is not froze. I prefer the hand hauling, because it’s a great “free” workout.